Author Topic: B&Z vs. Furballing (Read 2003 times)

Rude · « **Reply #45 on:** January 29, 2003, 03:02:38 PM »

I do just fine for usin a mouse....ordered my new joystick yesterday....watchout!!!

hazed- · « **Reply #46 on:** January 29, 2003, 05:19:48 PM »

rude you know I am sort of doing a similar thing pretty much all the time lately except im yo-yo-ing between the different types.

I tend to fly BnZ in a 190 then switch to something like a hurricane for t n b. The hurricane is a great fighter for these 1 v1 or 6 v 1 (or 6 v 8

) type fights.Im having a lot of fun and getting pretty good kill numbers by staying ner the edge of furballs in the hurricane.You have to be good with your SA in them as even at your fastest you are going pretty slow and can be an easy and tempting target.Flying the hurricane and surviving furballs where you are outnumbered and of course barely able to disengage really force you to try new tricks and moves.Id recommend flying the hurricane if you want to have fun learning new techniques.

I also have been dableing with the 109G10 as a dogfighter.Yes dogfighter not bnz.If you use its excellent climb rate and acceleration instead of its turning ability for instance, you end up in a very different type of fight.A sort of slow motion BnZ with somtimes only a few degrees of clearance as the enemy tries to get their nose onto you and you climb just out of reach.Ive had some of the most enjoyable fights in the g10 lately, engageing a group of cons and using the climb and speed to attack and evade.
Really satifying

Then maybe back to the 190 for a few more traditional bnz stuff then back to hurricanes etc.

Its really improved my enjoyment lately and if you tried it im sure you would enjoy it too.

Ahh then of course theres the P40!! perfect for you in that the guns match the p51d but the performance doesnt.You should in theory be a pro with that gun setup but forcing yourself to fly the p40 into busy areas and living to tell the tale can be a superb test.
Try this for a bit of fun one day:

Take a P40E and attack the Me163 base and try to bag yourself a perk plane in one.Its damn hard as you are under constant threat but when you kill a 163 AND survive its fantastic.You can do this sort of thing in the MA whenever the furball gets dull.You also learn to perfect the forced overshoot and dummy moves etc just to survive.Great plane for learning to create new moves i think.

Vulcan · « **Reply #47 on:** January 29, 2003, 05:42:31 PM »

Fly a tiffie... no one steals ya kills then

Sachs · « **Reply #48 on:** January 29, 2003, 11:44:51 PM »

What's BNZ?

J_A_B · « **Reply #49 on:** January 30, 2003, 01:18:56 AM »

Lazs, they're telling the truth, it IS harder to get kills in the CT.

Fly there, and you too will get fewer kills per hour than you would in the MA. It's a sure thing!

Of course, you and I both know why that's the case

J_A_B

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 30, 2003, 08:09:48 AM »

yes.. I think I know why and I have no interest in that. geeze.. I log when the radar is down in the MA if planes aren't visible when I take off.. I sure as heck am not gonna fly around hoping to run into a fite that isn't 10 v 1. The "historical" arena's in WB were allways just a poor substitute for the variety of the main one... In AH I have tried the CT and flew 2 sorties without ever seeing a plane (enemy one). I finally seen a plane in the CT and it promptly ran since it didn't have quite enough advantage in alt and e.
lazs

Widewing · « **Reply #51 on:** January 30, 2003, 12:45:53 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
yes.. I think I know why and I have no interest in that. geeze.. I log when the radar is down in the MA if planes aren't visible when I take off.. I sure as heck am not gonna fly around hoping to run into a fite that isn't 10 v 1. The "historical" arena's in WB were allways just a poor substitute for the variety of the main one... In AH I have tried the CT and flew 2 sorties without ever seeing a plane (enemy one). I finally seen a plane in the CT and it promptly ran since it didn't have quite enough advantage in alt and e.
lazs

To be certain of good fights in the CT, you need to log in during peak hours, typically between 8 PM and midnight eastern time. During this time period numbers will be somewhere between 40 and 60.

Last evening, we had 52 players logged in when I arrived, around 9 PM. About 45 of those were concentrated in a single sector. The Allies had two cruiser TGs and a carrier TG within 10 miles of a Japanese base.

The ensuing fight lasted to 2 AM when the Allies finally captured the field. Numbers at that time stood at 16 total players.
I logged off at 10:45 and logged in again just after midnight. There was no lack of targets, and I had little trouble finding enough of them to land 3 or 4, even 5 kill sorties. It is commonplace to see other players landing similar scores.

Now, if you log on off peak, finding a large fight will be a problem. Shane, Rude and Grunherz will agree that there are plenty of opportunities during the relatively busy peak hours. Yet, even during off peak, finding 1v1 fights is easy enough.

My regards,

Widewing

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 30, 2003, 02:04:39 PM »

so... what you are saying is that I need to fly the ct when it is the pizza map in the MA or.... nightime in the MA.... preferably both so that I can have enough ct player density to get what...... 5-6 kills an hour?
lazs

Yeager · « **Reply #53 on:** January 30, 2003, 02:51:21 PM »

Lazs,

The CT can be fun. But like anything worthwhile, some effort is required. If you pop in there already convinced your wasting your time (which is the impression you give) then save yourself a waste of time and dont even bother.

In my opinion, the MA has been so saturated for so long causing so many distractions and problems for my own fun factor that if it werent for the CT I would probably have bagged AH months ago.

Rude · « **Reply #54 on:** January 30, 2003, 03:31:37 PM »

I don't care alot for the CT personally, but WT Fish and myself gave it a shot the other night.

WT and Fish landed 5 and 8 respectively in one hop....I was separated from them and did not have as much success, still I got kills.

Final analysis.....it's the MA on diet pills....smaller numbers won't allow for the ganging you find in the MA and you can find some good one v one fights which is harder to find in the MA due to the number of players.

Does this make it fun? Not for me....I prefer the hectic overpopulated enviroment of the MA...will I ever go back? From time to time, like when it's dark in the MA or other conditions merit a visit.

I still think it's a good move on HT's part...it just provides more choice for his player base and that is a good thing.

wetrat · « **Reply #55 on:** January 30, 2003, 06:33:46 PM »

Rude, here's my advice: fly a g10 and rope everyone.

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 31, 2003, 08:23:03 AM »

I have no problem with variety... I am a big advocate of choice. I simply think it's silly to claim that less is more. I undersrtand tho why the general forum is the only effective way to promote the CT and understand why it has to be pumped up with a little white lieing... I mean... it wouldn't sell too well if people told the truth about it or only talked about it in the CT forum.
lazs

Widewing · « **Reply #57 on:** January 31, 2003, 10:20:55 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I have no problem with variety... I am a big advocate of choice. I simply think it's silly to claim that less is more. I undersrtand tho why the general forum is the only effective way to promote the CT and understand why it has to be pumped up with a little white lieing... I mean... it wouldn't sell too well if people told the truth about it or only talked about it in the CT forum.
lazs

Specifically, what “white lies” are you referring to?

I understand that you prefer the MA environment because of the player density that enables a high K/T. You like lots of action, and continuous action at that. That’s fine with me. I usually come to the MA when the CT numbers are low for similar reasons.

However, if you prefer a more individually challenging environment, the CT is it. As it is now in the MA, one is often either part of a horde or a victim of a horde. Moreover, most of the guys you can isolate in the MA are easy kills, simply due to the big influx of Noobs.

I prefer smaller fights, where you may have 4 on 4. Most of all, I really enjoy the 1v1 and 1v2 fights commonly found in the CT.

Other advantages of the CT is careful plane matching. One can fly an early-war fighter (depending upon the scenario in place) and not have to deal with hordes of late-model beasts.

Finally, there are three primary reasons why the CT has far fewer players than the MA.

1) Limited plane set
2) Difficulty level
3) Difficulty finding action off peak hours

There are four primary reasons why some people prefer the CT.

1) Higher level of competition (in general) and difficulty of play
2) Historical plane sets (often with re-skinned aircraft)
3) Far better maps and terrains.
4) No massive hordes to avoid

Bottom line: Choose your poison.

My regards,

Widewing

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 31, 2003, 02:17:48 PM »

wide... that is fine. I do not believe that you avoid gangbangs in the ct or any historical arena. I believe that 8 vs 2 is about the same as 16 vs 4 or 5.

more dificult? in what way? you have very little SA to worry about and... you can instantly regester what the limited plane types you meet will do/are capable of. Same for any help... it is all VERY predictable.

And yes... K/T is the mosrt important thing to me... What else am I here for? next is variety and after that... large numbers.

so... for "white lies" I would say... no gangbangs is a white lie and so is "better competition" as is "more difficult" and "better class of players" some of the worst no talent big mouths live in the CT. They run the second they feel they have lost the advantage.

The no radar thing is just a crutch to keep the CT from becoming even less dificult than a limited and predictable planeset makes it naturally.

I should probly give it another try during the hideous and boring pizza time in the MA but... It is basicaly the old "historical" arena of WB fame.
lazs