Author Topic: Will there be PAC planes?? (Read 1125 times)

Batz · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2003, 02:38:04 PM »

Didja read brady's reply above that one?

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Their are clearly tons on wholes in the Pac plane set paticulary on the Japanese side, but I wounder besides us plane geeks if anyone realy notices things like that?

It was kinda an inside joke for brady.

daddog · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2003, 02:44:39 PM »

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Curently some less than fully enlightened CM's have included these planes in event's aganst A6M2's this is hopless at best.

jordi · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2003, 03:04:18 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
Withen a tighter nite enviourment of the ToD, I cant imagine how at present it would be posable to do, I suspect all initial theritors will be Europen based, unless they give us more planes or do as we have seen in some recent CM events be lopsided do in part to the curent plane set and a posable preception by the CM's that the public at large does not notice such things as 1944 B17's vs 1940 Zero's as an issue, or maybe they themselfs dont notice this.

I think you might be pleasently surpised on the upcoming CM Events after Niemen.

Mike "DmdJordi" Bowman
AH CM Scenario Staff

Karnak · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2003, 03:55:41 PM »

daddog, jordi,

I don't think you guys quite understand what we're getting at.

It is currently IMPOSSIBLE to do any sort of Pac scenario or setup that uses the correct aircraft. You cannot surprise us with the current planeset:

D3A1: 1937
B5N2: 1938
A6M2: 1940
Ki.61-I-KAIc: 1st quarter, 1944
A6M5b: 2nd quarter, 1944
Ki.67: 2nd quarter,1944
N1K2-J: 1st quarter, 1945

P-40B: 1940
Boston Mk III: 1941
P-40E: 1941
F4F-5: 1942
F4U-1: 3rd quarter, 1942
Seafire Mk IIc: 4th quarter, 1942
B-26B: 2nd quarter, 1943
SBD-5: 2nd quarter, 1943
TBM-3: 1943
P-51B: 4th quarter, 1943
B-17G: 1944
F4U-1D: 1944
P-47D-11: 1st quarter, 1944
P-47D-25: 2nd quarter, 1944?
P-51D: 2nd quarter, 1944
F6F-5: 3rd quarter, 1944
P-38L: 3rd quarter, 1944
P-47D-30: 3rd quarter, 1944?
F4U-4: 4th quarter, 1944?
F4U-1C: 1st quarter, 1945

Just looking at the dates it seems that a 1944 setup would be possible, but in fact the only true 1944 aircraft the Japanese have is the Ki.67 bomber. The A6M5b and Ki.61 simply being mild updates of 1942 or 1941 aircraft. Japanese aircraft needed for a 1944 setup would be things like:

D4Y2: 4th quarter, 1942?
B6N2: 4th quarter, 1943
Ki.44-II-Otsu: 4th quarter, 1943
J2M3: 1st quarter, 1944
Ki.84-I-Ko: 2nd quarter, 1944
N1K1-J: 2nd quarter, 1944
Ki.61-II: 3rd quarter, 1944?

A midwar war setup would require:

A6M3
A6M5
B6N1
D4Y2
G4M2
Ki.43-II-Ko
Ki.44-I-Otsu
Ki.45
Ki.61-I-Ko

B-25J
F6F-3
P-38F

An early war setup would require:

G4M or Ki.21
Ki.43-II

B-25B
F4F-3
SBD-2
TBD Devastator

daddog · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2003, 05:23:43 PM »

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I don't think you guys quite understand what we're getting at.

So you would rather have us not do "any" PAC events? That would be a shame to wait to do events till we had the "perfect" plane set.

We work with what we have available and players fly or not.

If we waited to run events till HTC had the exact planes required there would be events few and far between. Most events have 200 plus attend so they must be willing to fly what HTC has given CM’s to work with.

I agree we need those AC, but to not hold events or refuse to work around shortcomings would be naive and disappoint a lot of players.

FYI the P-39 was at the top of our CM request list send to HTC last week.

Nifty · « **Reply #35 on:** January 31, 2003, 05:55:45 PM »

I'll add to that.

We don't choose the planes, HTC does. Yelling at us CMs does no good in getting planes where we can actually do the correct historical matchups.

If you can't stand the substitutions... well, no one is making you fly the events. Avoid them if it bothers you so much. I know we can't please everyone, so I don't worry about if a few people don't like what we're doing. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is.

Other players seem to enjoy the events despite the heinous subs. We're going to do what the majority of the players want, and that's hold events and substituting where we have to (which is about every event there is.)

Reschke · « **Reply #36 on:** January 31, 2003, 06:00:07 PM »

I agree Nifty that fussing about it to the CM does no good. However on the flip side when you sub a Typhie for a Beaufighter that is just plain ridiculous or a Ju88 for whichever Jap bomber. Why not leave the substitute aircraft out of the mix and only use what you have?

Thanks for your insight.

Karnak · « **Reply #37 on:** January 31, 2003, 06:39:00 PM »

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Originally posted by daddog
FYI the P-39 was at the top of our CM request list send to HTC last week.

That is exactly the kind of crap that I'm talking about. At the top of your list is an aircraft that plugs no holes at all and simply adds to the already overwelming US bias.

Unfudingbelievable.

The CMs are already on my idiot list for having moronically requested the B5N2, the P-39 request just strengthens my opinion.

daddog · « **Reply #38 on:** January 31, 2003, 06:42:55 PM »

LOL P-39 was not the only AC we requested, but I can see where this is going. Your cup is full.

Make sure you don't ever enjoy any events put on by the CM idiots.

Karnak · « **Reply #39 on:** January 31, 2003, 06:49:57 PM »

Where was the B5N2 on your list?

How many of the aircraft on your list did we get?

Why was the B5N2 on your list at all given the existing planeset that it would be joining?

Do you even stop to consider the opposition it will be facing?

Why is the P-39, which plugs no holes, on your list at all?

Pyro · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2003, 07:53:21 PM »

Look, I want this to be useful forum and I'm not going to allow blatant hijacking of threads like this. I salute your mastery of the obvious- we do indeed need more Pac planes as well as a lot of others and they will come. Assailing CMs for putting together events based on what they have available is completely incomprehendable. I can't even address that with words and there is no icon to represent the facial expression that gives me.