Author Topic: Why the US should tell the UN to get stuffed (Read 1647 times)

Gixer · « **Reply #45 on:** February 04, 2003, 12:40:15 AM »

Lets not forget why the UN was setup in the first place and secondly invading Iraq without UN approval will therefore mean US,UK,Australia and whoever else is on the bandwagon is breaking International Law.

Given that, it will surely be the start of the end for the UN and in my opinion the world will be worse off.

~~...-Gixer~~

-dead- · « **Reply #46 on:** February 04, 2003, 01:17:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
I think it's best that France be forever thankful to the British and US for remaining an independant country, but thats just an opinion.

And presumably, by extension, exercise its independence by doing exactly what the US tells it to do?

Bodhi · « **Reply #47 on:** February 04, 2003, 08:00:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
Lets not forget why the UN was setup in the first place and secondly invading Iraq without UN approval will therefore mean US,UK,Australia and whoever else is on the bandwagon is breaking International Law.

Given that, it will surely be the start of the end for the UN and in my opinion the world will be worse off.

Ya know, I really hate to say two wrongs make a right, but that Iraqi leader has been breaking international law for too long, I guess we should just wait till Mr. Hussein has a working nuke, or has figured out to recreate the bubonic plague on steroids. He has already shown his capacity for using restraint with weapons of mass destruction even on his own people. He is a maniac, that will diddly the world up as soon as he has the chance. Let's take that capacity away from him. Your idea of leaving that dog to lay sounds like just the sort of plan some liberal pansy would come up with, are you sure you are not Weazel in disguise??? Here is something I think even a liberal can imagine, seeings they think we live in a diddlying utopian society. Imagine you have a lovely 7 yr old daughter, and a convicted child molester moves in next door, and spends his days building up sexual torture devices for children in his garage, wouldn't you think it to be smart to take him out before he hurts her? (Yes I am comparing Sadaam to a child molester, they are on the same level) The point is Sadaam will strike out when he has the capability as would that Child molestor. The best defense is a terrific offense, thus said, Sadaam, you best head off to exhile if you do not want to go to a war crimes tribunal at the wonderfully corrupt UN.

As for the UN, it is time that US funded experiment in giving the 3rd World a voice ended. It's a failure, and I for one will continue to vote against anymore funding of that organisation as I have for the past 15 years. Only now does it appear our administration realises that the UN is a 3rd World soap box that serves no point other than allow dictators and former warlords a chance to voice there imbecilic opinions.

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Originally posted by -dead-
And presumably, by extension, exercise its independence by doing exactly what the US tells it to do?

Yeah, I seem to feel that is about the size of it. Several million British and almost a million Americans lie dead from guarateeing them their freedom during two World Wars. Wars that could have been prevented if they had had a better back bone. I think they should do exactly what we or the British suggest on the world scene, lest their muddled policies start World War 3.

-dead- · « **Reply #48 on:** February 04, 2003, 10:25:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
Yeah, I seem to feel that is about the size of it. Several million British and almost a million Americans lie dead from guarateeing them their freedom during two World Wars. Wars that could have been prevented if they had had a better back bone. I think they should do exactly what we or the British suggest on the world scene, lest their muddled policies start World War 3.

Were France to follow such a policy, all those people who died guaranteeing France's freedom would truly have died in vain. Freedom is unconditional, or it just isn't freedom. As you yourself point out - the British & Americans lie dead from guaranteeing France's freedom[/b] NOT their cooperation. IMHO, suggesting otherwise sullies their sacrifice with an ulterior motive that runs completely counter to the freedom you pay lip service to.

Rude · « **Reply #49 on:** February 04, 2003, 10:27:14 AM »

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Originally posted by 10Bears
Sorry Euros, my countrymen suffer from AIG..

Arrogance Ignorance and Greed deadly combination that

Arrogance = We don’t need no stinkin’ international law.. The law is whatever we say it is cuz we got the biggest and the baddest army in history. Whadda ya gonna do bout it!?

Ignorance = See Habu’s and Rude’s post above... Keep in mind only 17% of Americans polled knew none of the hijackers were Iraqis.

Greed = Two dogs that share the same dogfood bowl, the bigger dog will eat all the dogfood even though it will throw up just to deny the smaller dog any food.

Habu, I wonder if the good people of South Korea would agree with you.

Heyas 10bears....

Now, being ignorant according to definition, is being unaware of the facts.

If you believe me to be ignorant of the UN and its effectiveness, then why don't you share with me what substantive good it has accomplished, especially relating to Iraq?

I await your well informed answer.

10Bears · « **Reply #50 on:** February 04, 2003, 11:30:22 AM »

Bodhi wrote:

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He has already shown his capacity for using restraint with weapons of mass destruction even on his own people.

WHAT!!! he used weapons of mass destruction on his own people?... Are you sure about that?... I recently read from a CIA analysis that was there at the time it was Iranian gas used on Iraqie troops during a battle... the Kurds were just in the cross fire. You can choose to believe the propaganda if you want.. I choose to believe the CIA on the ground at the time.

From Rudy Tuesday..

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If you believe me to be ignorant of the UN and its effectiveness, then why don't you share with me what substantive good it has accomplished, especially relating to Iraq?

Fine, I'll start w/ Iraq... 1991 U.N. resolution mandating Iraq remove it's troops from Kuwait. 19 nations participated militarly and was a mission success.

Lets go back.. 1950 U.N. stopped the spread of communism to the south of Korea. A little snag there but by and large a mission success.

Numerious humanitarian/peacekeeping missions throughout the 60' and 70s highlighted on their web page. More recent missions would include Timor, Baklans, and Somolia.

I suggest you re-read what Gixer wrote above, I could only add to that by asking what do you propose this international body of Law be replaced with.. The guy with the biggest stick? Please try and remember the reason the U.N. was created in the first place.

Rude I apologize for infering ignorance.. but you have all this information at your fingertips don't rely on only mainstream media or talk radio.. When you play chess you don't look at only one side of the board.. In Aces you don't just look straight ahead.. You know that.. whoa!

BTW Gixer, I have an interesting film of our 1vs1 night fight.. 12 minutes long... you won!.. I could send it to ya if you want

Rude · « **Reply #51 on:** February 04, 2003, 04:23:25 PM »

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Originally posted by 10Bears
Bodhi wrote:

WHAT!!! he used weapons of mass destruction on his own people?... Are you sure about that?... I recently read from a CIA analysis that was there at the time it was Iranian gas used on Iraqie troops during a battle... the Kurds were just in the cross fire. You can choose to believe the propaganda if you want.. I choose to believe the CIA on the ground at the time.

From Rudy Tuesday..

Fine, I'll start w/ Iraq... 1991 U.N. resolution mandating Iraq remove it's troops from Kuwait. 19 nations participated militarly and was a mission success.

Lets go back.. 1950 U.N. stopped the spread of communism to the south of Korea. A little snag there but by and large a mission success.

Numerious humanitarian/peacekeeping missions throughout the 60' and 70s highlighted on their web page. More recent missions would include Timor, Baklans, and Somolia.

I suggest you re-read what Gixer wrote above, I could only add to that by asking what do you propose this international body of Law be replaced with.. The guy with the biggest stick? Please try and remember the reason the U.N. was created in the first place.

Rude I apologize for infering ignorance.. but you have all this information at your fingertips don't rely on only mainstream media or talk radio.. When you play chess you don't look at only one side of the board.. In Aces you don't just look straight ahead.. You know that.. whoa!

BTW Gixer, I have an interesting film of our 1vs1 night fight.. 12 minutes long... you won!.. I could send it to ya if you want

I tend to believe it was the coalition armed forces which motivated Iraq to exit Kuwait, not the UN sanctioning of that action.

That being said, I don't stand for the abolition of internation law but rather a legitimate instrument to enforce those laws....without the latter, the laws are only words on paper kinda like the 17 broken resolutions since the gulf war.

As to other achievements, they are few for such a body and the time during which it has existed....I'm certain their website espouses their value in the world....I just don't agree with that assessment nor do I want the UN in this nations business.

Still, your opinion is just as valid as mine and no apology necessary...I'm not one to think anyone would truly insult me without at least meeting me first:)

Duedel · « **Reply #52 on:** February 04, 2003, 04:51:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Habu
Take your facist comment and shove it up your arse.

Hey Habu my cute little ball licker u know what a questionmark ("?") is or is this beyond ur intellectual capacity?

Habu · « **Reply #53 on:** February 04, 2003, 05:16:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Duedel
Hey Habu my cute little ball licker u know what a questionmark ("?") is or is this beyond ur intellectual capacity?

Cute ball licker? Are you one of those fat middle aged german men I read about who get busted all the time by the Thai police? How do you get there now that Niki Lauda's airline no longer runs those special junkets?

Duedel · « **Reply #54 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:32:39 AM »

Hehe sweety does this mean u are 10 years old? Now i understand ur absence of knowledgeability. Thanks for clearing this up.

Habu · « **Reply #55 on:** February 05, 2003, 08:30:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Duedel
Hehe sweety does this mean u are 10 years old? Now i understand ur absence of knowledgeability. Thanks for clearing this up.

What does the fact that you like 10 year old boys have to do with the UN?

Duedel · « **Reply #56 on:** February 05, 2003, 10:28:22 AM »

Habu its obvious that u like the thought that someone else might be sharing ur interests but I'm sorry its not me.
Nonetheless I dont like ur thoughts about the germans, the french and the UN. Furtheron ur neo conservative attitude pisses me of. But enough of personal abuses this leads to nothing.

straffo · « **Reply #57 on:** February 06, 2003, 10:08:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
Straffo, get your facts straight, the French had up until two months ago a squadron of fighters training out of Tampa's MacDill AFB.

Were they bombing Canada ?
I guess No

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Don't see to many training units of ours based in France.

Not anymore but when France was in OTAN it was quiet more frequent

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One other thing, I lived for 6 months in France in the late 80's while I played hockey. I was impressed by the beauty and history of the country. But as for the people, I was most unimpressed with the arrogance and blind eyed views of most of the population with the exception of those living in Normandy and a few Parisians. There I found some of the most wonderful people, (who mind you did not have too) were most grateful to visit hospitality onto me as an American whose own relatives died liberating your country. Ohh, and oui je parles francais, mes il y a un long temps quand je utilises sas, and je me comprehend il est mauvais maeintenant.

We have our share of ass-hole too

If ever you come back I'll offer you a drink without any trouble

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I think it's best that France be forever thankful to the British and US for remaining an independant country, but thats just an opinion.

We are thankful (at least I am) but shall we allways agree ?
I don't think so.

straffo · « **Reply #58 on:** February 06, 2003, 10:11:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Habu
My wifes uncle died in WW2. He was a tail gunner in a Wellington. He is buried in England but died on the way to a mission over France.

When I was in France I went to the tourist office in Paris, the one right on the Champs de Leaize (pardon my spelling but I really don't care if I get it right)

I asked them if they had a map to the Vimy Memorial and for directions.

They had no idea what I was talking about.

But that is a different topic altogether.

Well ... when asking your way in Paris it's likely that you will end in Italia or Germany ...

If you think I'm arrogant ... that's because you never spoke to a Parisian ... ther rule me easily

In fact for all other French the Parisian are ARROGANT

And when you look at the news you allways have the point of view of the Parisian ... not the pov of the average french citizen.

straffo · « **Reply #59 on:** February 06, 2003, 10:19:35 AM »

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Originally posted by -dead-
Were France to follow such a policy, all those people who died guaranteeing France's freedom would truly have died in vain. Freedom is unconditional, or it just isn't freedom. As you yourself point out - the British & Americans lie dead from guaranteeing France's freedom NOT their cooperation. IMHO, suggesting otherwise sullies their sacrifice with an ulterior motive that runs completely counter to the freedom you pay lip service to. [/B]

cheers

I truly agree