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Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2003, 12:08:14 AM »
What the "perk the 4 or 5 most popular planes" crowd never seems to realize is that there always must be 4 or 5 most popular airplanes.   The current popular airplanes have pretty good parity with each other and none of them is really used all that much, so there's no need at all to perk them.  

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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2003, 11:11:32 AM »
Why would perking these planes lightly be such a negative thing?  It seems a little variety would be a good thing, at least in my opinion.  Would 3-5 perks be that un-afforadable?  Do that many people not have perks to spend?

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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2003, 11:49:34 AM »
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How about perking the "Big Four" for about 5 perkies?

The "Big Four" being:

Spit IX
N1K2-J
La7
P-51D

Just a light PERK to see if the plane usage balances a bit...

Don't slap me too hard.... it's just an idea....

Terror


Rather than do this, just extend the perk system to the scoring side.  Then you would see a lot more of the "other" planes and a lot less of these.

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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2003, 01:47:41 PM »
why perk a plane for heavy use? I like both the 51 and spit -- 51 because it affords me the chance to live in a gang bang environment (it isnt particulary fun to fight in, but is fast). The spit is just plain fun, yet it isnt particularly survivable. The lala, with its invisible rocket assist and e-resevoir seems to be the trickiest to kill (unless I am flying it :( ) and the niki, while dangerous, is fairly easy to beat.

People fly the "big 4" because they fit a particular style of fighting. I don't feel either one of them unbalances play. I do like the idea of unperking the spit 14 though.......

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2003, 02:20:47 PM »
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Why would perking these planes lightly be such a negative thing?  It seems a little variety would be a good thing, at least in my opinion.  Would 3-5 perks be that un-afforadable?  Do that many people not have perks to spend?
Terror


Agreed, if people cant afford the measley 7-15 perks the Chog pilots spend, then they probably aren't worth their salt in those rides, anyway. if you're a good pilot, it shouldn't matter if your ride is perked or not, but the free rides excuse the pilots for giving a damn either way if they rtb or not.

The people complainig about perked rides are the ones least likely to rtb from most of their missions, anyway.

With that being said, reduce the F4U-4 Perks! :)

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2003, 05:41:24 PM »
Red Tail 444,

Here are how the numbers came out last tour for perked prop fighters, listed cheapest to most expensive:

Tour 36 numbers:


The F4U-1C costs 10 perk points

The F4U-1C has 9720 kills and has been killed 3848 times for a K/D ratio of 2.53 to 1.


The Ta152H-1 costs 20 perk points

The Ta 152H has 1067 kills and has been killed 475 times for a K/D ratio of 2.25 to 1.


The F4U-4 costs 50 perk points

The F4U-4 has 1127 kills and has been killed 402 times for a K/D ratio of 2.8 to 1.


The Spitfire Mk XIV costs 60 perk points

The Spitfire Mk XIV has 845 kills and has been killed 512 times for a K/D ratio of 1.65 to 1.


The Tempest costs 70 perk points

The Tempest has 2088 kills and has been killed 483 times for a K/D ratio of 4.32 to 1.



What perk values should these other fighters have if the F4U-4 is too expensive?
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2003, 05:51:49 PM »
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Red Tail 444,
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What perk values should these other fighters have if the F4U-4 is too expensive?


The F4U-4's only real advantage is speed...  Heck, the La-7 as fast if not  faster than the F4u-4 and can easily out turn it, PLUS the La-7 is free AND carries cannons!

I would put the F4u-4 at around 25-30 Perks.

Terror
« Last Edit: February 07, 2003, 05:55:16 PM by Terror »

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2003, 06:43:05 PM »
Ok I personally think the perk system is fine.  If guys want to fly the so called "dweeb" [there are no dweeb planes] planes then so be it.  I try to find a plane each tour and work its "kinks" out!  I recently started flying the LA7 of DEATH and had three guys state....

HOW THE HELL DOES AN LA7 OUT TURN A SPIT IX?
HOW THE HELL DOES AN LA7 OUT TURN (insert plane here)?


Guys and Gals...it was mentioned before....ITS NOT THE PLANE its how its flown.

Energy management and knowledge of corner velocity AND basic ACM is the key to getting and landing kills.

Remember you can use your speed and alt to advantages....if you are in a low slow spit and I am in an CO Alt LA7 (my plane of choice last tour and this one)  If you dont know how to use your plane you will get shot down.  If I allow myself to get sloppy you will shoot me down.

BOTTOM LINE its the pilot and his situational awareness and skill that gets the kills NOT THE PLANE.

My 2.5 cents....:D

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2003, 06:53:50 PM »
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The F4U-4's only real advantage is speed...


This isnt really true....

The f4u4's only real advantage is DECK speed, on the deck the la7 is the only free plane that can catch it(and that is only at about a 2-3mph advantage)  2000feet up though, the f4u4 fallls into a big hole.

Between about 2000 and 18000feet, the dora outruns the f4u4.  The p51d does between about 4 and 14k.

It's not an exceptionally fast plane, nor does it have exceptional climb rates.  It's not a bad plane, but it's on par with the free planes.  It's only real advantage is that a dive to the deck can escape most planes.  (Though if the deck isn't at sea level, you're in trouble)  It's massive torqe makes maneuvering even trickier than the other f4u's.

The problem with perk planes in the current system is that unless they completly dominate the competition(lik the 262 and 163 do) even at a disadvantage, they're not worth flying.  You WILL get bounced, you WILL run into people who will do anything to kill you.

Perk planes should be brought into some use by giving the prop perk planes standard icons, not the perk gangbang tags.  Without the gangbang tags, a perk plane doesn't need to be able to outperform everything in the air to survive.

As it stands, the only way to survive in a perk plane is to never get to be at a disadvantage.  If someone spots a perk plane at a disadvantage, he's going to do everything to try and bag the perk plane.  Not because it's more dangerous, simply because it is a perk plane.



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And guttboy, the la7 is an exceptionally maneuverable plane.  It shouldnt be able to out-turn a spit, but anything that can keep up with it, it can out turn at decent speeds. (A lot of planes can get inside an la7 by using flaps, but any smart la7 pilot would simply continue on, let you slow down, and then turn around and kill your now slow plane.)
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2003, 10:37:07 AM »
Well said, Innominate.  

I was looking at your custom stats page.  Very nice.  Is there any way you could share your code?  As an example of how you are gathering the data?

Thanx!
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2003, 12:33:58 PM »
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Red Tail 444,

Here are how the numbers came out last tour for perked prop fighters, listed cheapest to most expensive:

Tour 36 numbers:


The F4U-1C costs 10 perk points

The F4U-1C has 9720 kills and has been killed 3848 times for a K/D ratio of 2.53 to 1.


The Ta152H-1 costs 20 perk points

The Ta 152H has 1067 kills and has been killed 475 times for a K/D ratio of 2.25 to 1.


The F4U-4 costs 50 perk points

The F4U-4 has 1127 kills and has been killed 402 times for a K/D ratio of 2.8 to 1.


The Spitfire Mk XIV costs 60 perk points

The Spitfire Mk XIV has 845 kills and has been killed 512 times for a K/D ratio of 1.65 to 1.


The Tempest costs 70 perk points

The Tempest has 2088 kills and has been killed 483 times for a K/D ratio of 4.32 to 1.



What perk values should these other fighters have if the F4U-4 is too expensive?


Ummmm....the ones I can afford! :)

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2003, 01:56:02 PM »
For whoever said the La7 can easily out turn the F4u4 pass me that pipe...

F4u4 doesn't suffer like the other F4's in the vert... (it can get out of its own way unlike the other f4's)  with its flaps it can easily out turn the LA7..  Throw in tricks below 300mph like brakes and gear deployment and a rudder from hell and the LA7 has it hands full... (it can run... thats about it...)

Just becuase most dont know what their doing doesn't mean the plane is incapable.

trust me...  The f4U4 deserves its perk...

Now should say a La7 be unperked i dont agree...  ITs stats are really skewed right now do to the dweebery flying it..

put me in it , its like a g10 with no lockup and superior firepower and fuel endurance.

near unstoppable...

luckily for the main. most people worth their salt  would never fly that dweebmobile.

Hence we spared the endless hoards...  even wiht the deterent of being called a LA7 dweeb it still gets much use... just not hoarde status...


2 cents..


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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2003, 01:58:22 PM »
Wow, the Spitfire XIV really needs to be unperked. A 1.65 to 1 K/D ratio isn't exactly showing it as a terribly uber aircraft.

As for the perk tag suggestion fielded earlier, I wouldn't have agreed a while ago but after taking a Spit XIV out earlier thinking it was a IX and having every plane dive out of orbit to join in the severe beating of me I've changed my stance. People will in fact go to extreme measures to get the perk ride, even if it's certain the player in the perk ride has no chance of survival as it is. If I were in a 9 rather than a 14, I have no doubts that the numbers of planes in the fray for my leftovers would have been lessened considerably.

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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2003, 03:31:13 PM »
Innominate,

I am not saying that the LA7 is not maneuverable by any means.  If you re read my post you will see that I am not assuming this.  What I am stating that depending on the plane you fly ANY plane..it all depends on how you use it and how you employ it in its envelope.

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2003, 04:51:58 PM »
Lol Manx!

You yourself tossed away 2 spit 14's just recently, not realizing what you were flying..

Think thats a big contributor to its poor K/D.. ppl flying them 1) and not realizing its not a sp9  2) flying them like a sp9


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