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Offline john9001

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« on: February 04, 2003, 08:22:26 PM »
some people keep posting that the F-22 will cost $200 million per plane , this is what i found

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Gibbons, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and an RF-4C pilot during the Persian Gulf War, said a second benefit of 750 F-22s is that a larger buy "would slash the F-22's flyaway cost to about $74 million per aircraft — about the same cost as an F-15." According to a staffer in Gibbons' office, that cost figure was validated by both the Air Force and Lockheed and reflects the economies of scale a larger purchase would create.

A year ago, in constant 2000 dollars, the F-22 was estimated to have a flyaway cost of $83.6 million, according to service data based on a 339-aircraft purchase. This figure does not include research, development or support costs.

Also, Gibbons wrote, a larger purchase would allow the Air Force to replace both the F-15 and F-117 aircraft with the F-22, while reallocating "F-16 Block 50 aircraft to Guard and Reserve forces . . . effectively replacing three airframes with one." Both Hawley and the Gibbons staffer noted the ability to replace multiple aircraft with the F-22 would yield additional benefits because one aircraft means simplified logistical plans and lower operating and support costs.
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http://www.f22-raptor.com/index0.html

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2003, 09:30:19 PM »
Yep.  Finish the F-22 and the JSF projects and we are set for fighters for a long time.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2003, 03:05:09 AM »
Now if we only had an enemy that had modern aircraft...

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2003, 04:19:47 AM »
Gripen is a fine plane, but Tunnan (the barrel) looks cooler.

F22 is a beautiful aircraft too, but $74 million? phew, that's not going to leave much change out of my defence budget.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2003, 04:38:29 AM »
Wasn't it "tunnan" who first managed to get a missile lock on a stealth bomber?
Anyway, the Swedes are selling the Gripen all over, so there is a good chance that the F22 will have to face it. Hmm, that would be a dogfight worth seeing ;)
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2003, 04:47:07 AM »
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Wasn't it "tunnan" who first managed to get a missile lock on a stealth bomber?
Anyway, the Swedes are selling the Gripen all over, so there is a good chance that the F22 will have to face it. Hmm, that would be a dogfight worth seeing ;)

Really? Can you point me more towards that story Angus. would like to know more!

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2003, 07:08:26 AM »
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..."would slash the F-22's flyaway cost to about $74 million per aircraft — about the same cost as an F-15."


Don't know much about the F-22's cost, but I work at a F-15C squadron, and I can tell you that one of those jets is worth $34M, not $74M.  I think the E models run around $45M.  Not that many people probably care.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2003, 07:10:37 AM »
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Now if we only had an enemy that had modern aircraft...



SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

We hate fair fights.

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2003, 09:33:54 AM »
Its time to upgrade, regardless of the cost...the development monies have been spent, let's just do it.  The F-15 came out in 1974 (I think...that's what my book says...could be wrong) and there are countless other aging airframes that need to be replaced as well.  KC-135s are coming up on the 50 year mark soon, and those are very important for any deployment.

Oddly enough, I beleive the A-10 is the USAF's "newest" fighter.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2003, 09:43:46 AM »
"Nova" had a show about the JSF competition between Boeing and Lockheed. Both were incredible planes.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2003, 09:53:04 AM »
I dislike the idea of a JSF..and I think the plane is 'UGLY'

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2003, 09:58:47 AM »
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Now if we only had an enemy that had modern aircraft...


I understood the dry humor, David. ;)

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2003, 09:59:40 AM »
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I dislike the idea of a JSF..and I think the plane is 'UGLY'


You're thinking of Boeings design, which didn't win the contract.  The current JSF design that won is based partly on the F-22 airframe.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2003, 10:12:27 AM »
Still ugly as sin.. Rip.