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Boroda · « **Reply #45 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:08:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LOL! Well known in your circle of friends maybe.

Rip, I sell this to you for the same price I bought it.

Saw it in a TV documentary, read it in several articles, including translated.

If it's wrong - then I want to know who and why was telling this to us.

Akwabbit, if Russian representative will not veto the "war" resolution - Putin will have serious problems at the next elections. I mean he'll have to do something to be elected again. We will have serious demonstrations and maybe even riots if he'll support agressors.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #46 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:11:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

It's not 1950, we can't afford military assistance against agressors, so we'll never let them use UN as a cover for another war. And they will not dare to throw China out from SC meeting again.

OMG Now he is saying the UN aided South Korean "agressors" in the Korean War.. Boroda you do know the North invaded the south with Stalin's full support. Are you that badly brainwashed? You would be such a pathetic waste of human flesh if you have actually let your mind get destroyed by propaganda so much.

Boroda · « **Reply #47 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:14:40 PM »

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Originally posted by ygsmilo
Guess that puts into prespective what Stalin said to the Ukranians in 1932.

What did he say? I'm curious.

Boroda · « **Reply #48 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:18:07 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The Northern Alliance occupied 15% of Afghanistan. The Taliban government was recognized by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Republic. The argument that they were not the legal rulers of Afghanistan is questionable ... at best.

UAR have fallen apart 20 years before Taliban appeared.

Rabbani was a democraticaly elected president.

Funny to hear that NA occuped the land where they lived for hundeeds of years.

Boroda · « **Reply #49 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:27:03 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
OMG Now he is saying the UN aided South Korean "agressors" in the Korean War.. Boroda you do know the North invaded the south with Stalin's full support. Are you that badly brainwashed? You would be such a pathetic waste of human flesh if you have actually let your mind get destroyed by propaganda so much.

Grun, US and it's supporters threw PRC out of security council meeting and used SC "resolution", signed in absence of two permanent members, as a reason for an armed agression in Korea.

Now tell me about "evil commies" who were no more then targets for hordes of yankee strategic bombers until USSR and PRC helped them.

Grun, both sides say that it's another who attacked first. Please remember all that mess started when US forced "democratic" elections in American occupation zone and put their puppet government there.

Go read some books.

john9001 · « **Reply #50 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:33:10 PM »

UN votes for "peace in our time"

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #51 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:33:49 PM »

Boroda the NK forces overran all of SK in an incredibly short time- there is no way that was just a defensive reaction to SK agression. The NK executed a preplanned invasion with suport of Stalin - there is no discussion of that. They caught the SK and small US forse completely unprespared and routed them accross all of SK and nearly into the sea in a matter of weeks. This was no reaction to SK agression.

How dare the USA impose democracy and freedom on people? They should have installed a communist government instead...

Boroda · « **Reply #52 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:38:41 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
It should read "United Arab Emirates". My bad.

UAE and Saudi Arabia are orthodox Islamic theocratic countries. Pakistan is a platform for the American influence in Central Asia that have bred Taliban for years using American experience during Soviet presence in Afghanistan. Do you think US could not have recognized the state of Panama after sending their cruisers and marines to create it?

Taliban are a bunch of Moslim fanatics used by USA and Pakistan to "stabilize" the situaton in Afghanistan and stop the total war and slaughter that started there when USSR withdrew it's 40th Army in 1989.

CptTrips · « **Reply #53 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:49:16 PM »

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You Sir, are an idiot.

Really? Another one of those "it never happened" crowd eh?

Perhaps you have another explanation on why a country the size and importance of Germany was conspicuously denied a voting seat on the Security Council?

Boroda,

Russia MIGHT abstain, but I gauruntee you that they will not veto.

Wab

Boroda · « **Reply #54 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:49:38 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Boroda the NK forces overran all of SK in an incredibly short time- there is no way that was just a defensive reaction to SK agression. The NK executed a preplanned invasion with suport of Stalin - there is no discussion of that. They caught the SK and small US forse completely unprespared and routed them accross all of SK and nearly into the sea in a matter of weeks. This was no reaction to SK agression.

How dare the USA impose democracy and freedom on people? They should have installed a communist government instead...

Grun, you already answered all your questions in your post.

1) There were no Soviet or Chineese troops in NK in summer 1950.

2) SK government thought that US will immediately support their in a war against NK, because they got their seats from the occupation administration.

3) They were mistaken, just as Kim Ir Sen was mistaken about Stalin's help. You have to read diplomatic correspondence between USSR and DPRK. Stalin said something like "It's your problem, you have to solve it yourself". Mao was saying the same things in the beginning. Only after a complete collapse when the "UN" forces landed in Chemulpo Stalin sent 64th IAK PVO (fighter corpse, anti-aircraft defence) to Korea, to perform strictly defencive tasks.

4) The conclusion can be that both sides had obvious reasons to attack, thinking about their "big brothers" who will have to support them. The outcome was pretty obvious: Americans tried to bomb NK "to stone age", while USSR was protecting it from air raids.

Grun, try to find different sources on this problem. I understand that in your "free press" and "democratic society" it's next to impossible to find anything that contradicts with Party line, but using Internet you can try.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #55 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:53:01 PM »

Wow Boroda you still cannot accept that you NK communist buddies invaded SK in an attemt to opress its people and force them to live under communism...

Boroda · « **Reply #56 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:53:07 PM »

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Originally posted by AKWabbit
Boroda,

Russia MIGHT abstain, but I gauruntee you that they will not veto.

This will mean total disappointment for Russian people. The most popular question will be "how much did THEY pay and who got the money".

I have already read Ivanov's statement. "We strongly insist on continuation of inspectons".

The case is that the status quo is the only thing that satisfies Russian government. As long as Iraq is under embargo the oil prices are stable and moderately high.

Puke · « **Reply #57 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:55:02 PM »

I thought the free elections were supposed to be held in ALL of Korea, but you know how those communists go for a "free election" and thus it was only held in the South whereas a communist state was intact in the North by the time the Soviet Union left. USA left South Korea in 1949 I think and the North started making intrusions into the South and since the South didn't have any military aircraft, could not do anything about it. Then the North invaded the South to place all of Korea under communist rule and actually had control of the whole country except a small pocket on the Pusan peninsula. Then McArthur makes a landing and cuts the logistics of the North in half and then the march north to re-take all of South Vietnam. It is only THEN that the south invades the North and dang near reaches China when they enter the fight and push the South back south. Simplistically, that's how I always understood it. So I guess the South really started it with an invasion with their imposing military force which includes zero tanks, artillery pieces and no military aircraft. I suppose it was the USA that was sending troops on bicycles up to Hanoi and invading North Vietnam too in that war.

Also, I've seen documentaries on the existence of the Loch-Ness Monster, Big-Foot and Elvis is still alive...don't believe every documentary.

Boroda · « **Reply #58 on:** February 05, 2003, 01:57:08 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Wow Boroda you still cannot accept that you NK communist buddies invaded SK in an attemt to opress its people and force them to live under communism...

GH, you still can not accept that your SK puppet-"democratic" buddies invaded NK in an attemt to opress its people and force them to live under American occupation...

GH, it's all only words. Just like in good ol' 70s. "All the progressive humanity as one..." etc. ad nauseum. (on and on untill you feel sick, if you don't know this little Latin).

I have grown out of this when I was 18.

midnight Target · « **Reply #59 on:** February 05, 2003, 02:00:41 PM »

from - http://www.korean-war.com/TimeLine/1950/06-25to08-03-50.html

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June 25, 1950
At approximately 4 a.m. (Korean Standard Time) on a rainy Sunday morning Democratic People's Republic of Korea Army (DPRK - North Korea) artillery and mortars open fire on Republic of Korea (ROK - South Korea) Army positions south of the 38th Parallel, the line then serving as the border between the two countries. The opening barrage is followed shortly by tank/infantry attacks at all points along the Parallel. At 11 a.m. North Korea announced a formal declaration of war and what is now known as "The Korean War" officially began. In this announcement North Korea claimed ROK forces on the Ongjin Peninsula attacked North Korea in the Haeju area (west) and their declaration of war was in response to this attack. This claim was bogus.

U.S. President Harry S. Truman was notified of the invasion and returned from his home in Independence, Missouri, to Washington, D.C., arriving in early afternoon. Meanwhile the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution calling for the immediate cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of North Korean forces to north of the 38th Parallel.

June 26, 1950

Uijongbu falls to North Korean forces. South Korean government - President Syngman Rhee and cabinet - leave Seoul for Taejon.

President Truman meets with State Department and Defense Department officials. He authorizes General Douglas MacArthur to:

(1) send ammunition and equipment to prevent the loss of Seoul,

(2) provide ships and aircraft to evacuate American citizens, plus Air Force fighters and Navy ships to protect the evacuation, and

(3) send a survey party to Korea to study the situation and determine how best to help the ROK government and military. Later in the day President Truman expanded his instructions by ordering General MacArthur to use Air Force aircraft and Navy ships against all North Korean military targets south the 38th Parallel. General MacArthur issues an "alert order" telling all combat units in the Far East to prepare for possible deployment to Korea.

June 27, 1950

U.S. Ambassador Muccio & staff leave Seoul for Suwon. ROK Army headquarters leave Seoul for Sihung-ni (about 5 miles south of Yongdungp'o) without informing their U.S. advisors with the Korean Military Advisory Group (KMAG.) KMAG follows ROKA Hq to Sihung-ni shortly thereafter. After discussions, most of ROKA Hq and KMAG return to Seoul a few hours later.

During the late evening, the U.N. Security council passes a resolution calling for member nations to give military aid to South Korea.

Meanwhile, in compliance with President Truman's order to provide help to South Korea and the use of U.S. air and naval forces south of the 38th Parallel, General MacArthur sent a fact finding group, headed by Brig. General Church, to Korea. This group left Japan at approximately 4 a.m. and arriving at Suwon in the early afternoon where they set up a temporary headquarters.

A U.S. Air Force F-82 shoots down a North Korean Yak fighter for the first U.S. air victory of the war. Two more North Korean aircraft are shot down a few minutes later in this same battle.

June 28, 1950

ROKA engineers blow the Han River Bridge at approximately 2:15 a.m. trapping the bulk of 3 ROKA divisions fighting on the outskirts, plus ROKA Hq and KMAG personnel still in Seoul. Somewhere between 500 and 800 people - civilian & military- are killed in the explosion. All trapped KMAG were able to escape across the Han River later in the day via still-operating ferries, arriving in Suwon late that afternoon, where KMAG senior personnel briefed Gen. Church.

North Korean force entered Seoul in the early afternoon and street fighting ensued but by midnight Seoul was in North Korean hands.

So Boroda, the poor NK army was forced into taking Seoul within 3 days of those darned SK aggressions?

LOL