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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2003, 11:59:44 AM »
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I'll have to search of the impact of closure of U.S. bases in France.


WHAT US bases in France??

AFAIK, the scurvy pinheads walked outta NATO 30 years ago, and hence there are NO US bases on French Dirt.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2003, 12:14:59 PM »
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Very very rarely does any community want to see a nearby US base close.
Here's 4 examples just off the top of my head: Okinawa, Philippines, South Korea, Greenham Common. This leads me to suspect that this "yankees go home" phenomenon may be less rare than you think.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2003, 12:20:03 PM »
If they close the bases who is going to show all the frauleins how real men perform? For gods sake, think of the frauleins!
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2003, 12:28:27 PM »
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Originally posted by -dead-
Here's 4 examples just off the top of my head: Okinawa, Philippines, South Korea, Greenham Common. This leads me to suspect that this "yankees go home" phenomenon may be less rare than you think.



Having spent several years in both Okinawa and South Korea I can say that while there are some that want us out, they are not the majority of the locals. Some in Okinawa want us out because of the enormous land value the bases occupy, especially Kadena AB.

In South Korea it is primarly the young college students that want us out. Hey, they gotta protest something right?

Anyhow, I'm all for accomodating them. So long as we don't give them aid to offset the loss to their economy as a result.

BTW, we already left the Philippines. They claimed they wanted us out when what they really wanted was to increase the rent. Now we're gone.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2003, 12:29:56 PM »
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If they close the bases who is going to show all the frauleins how real men perform? For gods sake, think of the frauleins!


You're not lying either! :eek:
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http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_358876.html
German noodlees 'too small for EU
                                              condoms'


                                              Germany has demanded a rethink on EU guidelines on
                                              condom size after finding its average noodle did not
                                              measure up.

                                              Doctors around Essen were ordered by the government's
                                              health department to check out the average size suggested
                                              by Brussels.

                                              They reported the EU has overestimated the size of the
                                              average noodle by almost 20% and insist other countries will
                                              discover the same.

                                              Urologist Gunther Hagler, head of the team compiling the
                                              research, said: "By checking hundreds of patients we found
                                              German noodlees were too small for standard EU condoms.

                                              "On average they were 14.48 cms long and 3.95 cms wide.
                                              That makes them much smaller than the EU standard
                                              condom size of 17 cms in length and 5.6 cms in width."

                                              He denied the German man was any smaller than the rest of
                                              Europe, adding: "We think the EU has got its sums wrong,
                                              and if other countries were to check out their men's assets
                                              they would find the EU has made a mistake in its
                                              calculations.

                                              "There should be a rethink and the EU statisticians should
                                              check their figures again. After all, they have also ruled EU
                                              standard condoms should be able to hold 18 litres of fluid
                                              without breaking, which also seems a bit excessive."
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2003, 12:39:51 PM »
SOFA (standard of forces agreement) agreements in forein countries ensure that a large portion of jobs on US military bases are taken by local nationals.  That is just one of the examples of what a forein community would lose if the US pulled out.  Where GE is concerened, if we pulled out of Spang, that would take thousands of US out. However, even a constant EAF rotating would still provide a large stimulus to the economy.  Back in the early 90's we closed MANY Euro bases in GE, 2 in Holland, several in  UK, Spain, etc.  I don't remember the local reaction as being "good riddance".  Osan AB in ROK is an excellent example of a communityy that basically strives and survives on the US military presence. Another example would be Incirlik AB in Turkey.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2003, 12:44:22 PM »
...and that's a strong argument for allowing fellow citizens usage of the PX.   Most of you have no idea the suffering and mental anguish an ex-pat undergoes trying to slip into a DIN 40L15 Durex.  sheesh!
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2003, 12:44:29 PM »
FYI The Germans occupy and operate an air base in New Mexico. They do quite a bit of training there. The local economy is the better for it. If we reduce the force structure in Europe there will be an immediate downturn in the economy where those bases are located. Even IF the troopies don't go off base much, almost ALL the supplies the base uses are on the LOCAL economy. This doesn't cover the civilian jobs that are generated by the base.

As to the "occupation force" tag being thrown around, pfueee. That is pure bovine excrement and they know it. You can call a VW a Mercedes if you want but it doesn't change the nature of the VW. Calling the U.S. forces stationed in Germany an occupation force is simply applying a lable that is not accurate. They stopped being an occupation force back in the 40's.
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2003, 12:46:13 PM »
Heheheh rip.

But that study does seem to be more objective. Previous studies have been 'what's your noodle size?' to which a man is doomed to add a centimeter ortwo to the truth.

German efficiency.

It's not the size that matters, but the sound it makes when it hits the ground :D
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2003, 01:28:30 PM »
I think the US should pull out of Europe entirely.  I don't see any reason that the Europeans can't defend themselves.  My opinion has nothing to do with Iraq.  I've held this opinion for a long time.  It's not about punishing Europeans.  It's about reducing tax burden on Americans.
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2003, 01:33:45 PM »
I don't care about US bases in Germany.

Well, maybe except two:

- The facility in Bad Aibling.
- The airbase in Hohenfels (actually I don't care about the airbase, removing or reducing the ED-R137 would be enough. I don't like getting shot down should I get there accidentally).
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2003, 01:35:59 PM »
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I think the US should pull out of Europe entirely.  I don't see any reason that the Europeans can't defend themselves.  My opinion has nothing to do with Iraq.  I've held this opinion for a long time.


Agreed.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2003, 01:37:12 PM »
Sorry about my edit Rip.  :)
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2003, 01:40:12 PM »
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I don't care about US bases in Germany.

Well, maybe except - The facility in Bad Aibling.
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Why Bad Aibling?
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2003, 01:41:06 PM »
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Sorry about my edit Rip.  :)


Still agree!
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