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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2003, 03:13:07 PM »
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. It will only make you look like more of a redneck that dosnt even know his own country's history.


You're mistakenly assuming that rednecks don't know history, son.  Keep in mind alot of rednecks died so you could post your opinion on this BBS. ;)

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« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2003, 04:02:21 PM »
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The people that benefit t....buncha stuff...flags


If you think of the french as the fb's, you'll have a lot more fun making fun of them.


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« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2003, 04:20:04 PM »
Hey Ripsnort, after this german treason, will you burn your Beemer and buy a good old pickup truck instead?

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The only positive thing about the belgian NATO veto this morning is that a lot more people know where is Belgium now...the price was expensive IMO.

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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2003, 04:27:27 PM »
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I think the US should pull out of Europe entirely. I don't see any reason that the Europeans can't defend themselves. My opinion has nothing to do with Iraq. I've held this opinion for a long time.


Bye-bye missile defence system.
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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2003, 04:29:33 PM »
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Well we paid the sorry bastards back twice in the last century.  I'd be willing to bet there are far more American graves in france than there are French graves in America.


Military call that : progres

We are vastly more efficient at killing people than some century ago.

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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2003, 04:43:19 PM »
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We are vastly more efficient at killing people than some century ago.


Whats with the "We" toejam, froggie?

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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2003, 06:41:14 PM »
if i thought of the french as fb's that would be discourtious to the french.

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2003, 06:47:29 PM »
Britain have also been withdrawing from Germany.  In the last 12 years the RAF have pulled out of Wildenrath, Güttersloh, Laarbrüch and finally Brüggen therefore having no RAF aircraft in Germany.  

The British Army are also pulling out.  They still have a large prescence there, around 20,000, but again several garrisons/barracks are planned to close over the next few years.
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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2003, 07:00:13 PM »
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oh... may i have a request? IF you are here... please protect us from our politicians ;)
thanks!


Heck we still dont know how to protect our wallets from our politicians :)

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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2003, 12:32:05 AM »
Pretty much agree with Oed's last post. Heck, I do agree.
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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2003, 01:13:40 AM »
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Whats with the "We" toejam, froggie?

;)


We as humanity :)

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« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2003, 03:12:22 AM »
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Why dont you talk some crap about the poles or italians, they surrender and switch sides every war as well. Please respond to this with some inane redneck babble about white flags.


A quick comment:

Wait that Italy or Poland disagree with U.S. and you will see this BBS full of comments about it.

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« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2003, 03:33:48 AM »
There is an interesting issue coming out from this usual bashing kind of thread.

The U.S. projection in the world.

It's excessive?

Granted that the old great enemy has become almost a pet friend waiting for the next dollar-cake, there's only one nation with the capability to be a threat, military speaking and terrorism apart: China.

But actually China has only a small projection capability, and only out of is own borders, more, China have some interest to remain in a "almost-no-aggressive-stance" because a growing part of it's economy is based on production and commerce in low-tech mass produced items with the western world.

Europe cannot be considered a possible enemy (aside the opinions of some posters here ;) ), looking at the interconnection between the econimics.

South America is completely under control of the USA.

Middle-east, well, while the big rich emires keep control of their respective countries, and have an advantage in the Oil commerce, no danger can rise from there, unless Israel do something mad, involving the bigger ally in something weird.

Afrika it's too busy starving.

The only remaining reasons are the U.S. interests in economical protection, and the "rogue states".

But for theese 2 menaces it's not needed an amount so huge of forces as US actually have around the world, a more thin, well equipped and higly movable force can be employed more efficiently, mantaining some smaller garrison here and there.

A lot of posters here point to the amount of taxes that can be saved by reducing the army, but there's a consequence that I dont see discussed here:

The "war" economy.

Have you an idea of how many people have his income related with the "US projection"?

Not only the soldiers, but a lot of producers, some example?

Boeing, Microsoft, Ford, all the bigger factories have a big part of their income with the military market, and I can only imagine the smaller ones.

It's something that need to be considered.

Food for tought

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« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2003, 03:49:44 AM »
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...Why dont you talk some crap about the poles or italians, they surrender and switch sides every war as well...


so... let me give you a lesson about Poles. we NEVER switched a side during the war... frankly all over the time we were fighting with two "nations" Germans and Russians. We NEVER surrended without a fight... and we were allways fighting till the last soldier died... during the last war we were fighting wothout ANY help form our allies (was mantioned many times on this board... i don't want to discuss it again and still have great sympathy for all those countries) till we lost3 and german and russian forces occupied us. Finally we NEVER wanted to be russian slaves, but it happened that we were sacrified after the WW2...

Now please tell me EXACLYT when we swithed a side? When we surrended?

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« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2003, 04:03:27 AM »
Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way.

Europe can't lead, saw that in the former Yugoslavia.
Can't follow, we are seeing that now.
so....leaves just one option.