Author Topic: New Vehicle (Read 1108 times)

MOIL · « **on:** February 13, 2003, 03:17:34 AM »

Hey there gang, MOIL here, {Mr GV} I know :}
I am trying to get HTC to add a new vehicle to the game for us GV'rs out there. NO!, i'm not trying to make this a ground war game, but to add some more elements to the package of warfare.
It is the German Whirlwind "Whirblewind" I think this would be a great "perked" veh to add to collection.
Four 20MM cannons can't be all bad:D

hogenbor · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2003, 08:37:05 AM »

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy where the internet was in it's infancy, and we had to live with 1200 or 2400baud connections or with none at all because my parents wouldn't let me use their phoneline and I couldn't afford one myself, a friend of mine bought a DOS game from a guy in a fighter pilot's suit, on a fair or something. This game was called 'Air Warrior' and what a silly old game it was!

The silliest thing however was the AA vehicle you could drive in that game. Curiously it was German and had 4 20mm guns. Sounds somewhat familiar...

(Oh, and there was a T-34 tank too if I'm not mistaken)

Terror · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2003, 10:52:47 AM »

Request this as the next new vehicle:

M18 Hellcat Tank destroyer

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/usa/m18_tankdestroyer.html

brady · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2003, 11:56:55 AM »

A few observations:

The Wilberwind, If people squeak and moan as much as they do about the osty because it is to dificult form to have to work at killing it, image the toejam that will fly if the Wilberwind is released. Esecehetaily a M16 that is as tough as an osty and has about twice the effective range as the M16 and can do deflection shots as easy as a M16 can, those 20mm shels it firs are Super deadly by the way, more powerfull than an Hispano round if memory serves.

The M18, it is open toped and lightly armored, it would be like killing a M8 from the air except easer to hit.

Terror · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:22:09 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
A few observations:

The M18, it is open toped and lightly armored, it would be like killing a M8 from the air except easer to hit.

This GV would be vulnerable to the air, but pretty deadly to the PNZR and TIGER. With it's high speed of 50mph, would be great for hit and runs against other GVs.

Terror

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:08:31 PM »

The M18 Main Guns is no better than the Gun on the Panzer MK IV, and depending on the ammo and range the MK IV gun is actualy better in terms of AP value. The very thin armor on the M18 12mm I beleave is the figure given is as thin as the top armor on the Panzer IV which is consistently penetrated by 50cal fire from aircraft, so the M18 could even be killed by a 50cal Pintel gun on a M3, let alone a M8 37mm gun. The only advantage it would have is it's High spead, which would be fun to be shure.

Howeaver inso much as we are curently experancing a serious drought in any new toys from HTC, I would realy rather see any new GV effort put toward a M4A3 Sherman.

Arlo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:24:22 PM »

Geez ....

Events need an allied heavy. The Sherman (or variant of) is the best choice for Western Europe events ... the T-34 for Eastern Europe events. Since TOD is specifically aimed at being a 24 hour a day Axis vs Allied event ... adding vehicles that enhance it seems to make the most sense. Those same vehicles can enhance Classic if players aren't too "gimme the uber/experimental/rare piece of equipment that can kill everyone else with ease" mentality).

p.s. ... there's enough German armor.

thankyathankyaveramuch

Arlo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:26:23 PM »

Amen, brother!

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Originally posted by brady
I would realy rather see any new GV effort put toward a M4A3 Sherman.

HoHun · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:46:49 PM »

Hi Brady,

>The Wilberwind, If people squeak and moan as much as they do about the osty because it is to dificult form to have to work at killing it, image the toejam that will fly if the Wilberwind is released.

Historically, the Ostwind was an improvement over the Wirbelwind since 20 mm (or less) was considered insufficient for anti-aircraft purposes. (This matched the British experience.)

Other than the guns, there was not much difference between Wirbelwind and Ostwind - they used a similar open-topped gun turret on a Panzer IV chassis.

The Wirbelwind predecessor SdKfz 161/3 actually had twin 37 mm cannon, but it didn't have any gun crew protection and could only open fire after lowering to turret sides to form the crew platform, so it was really lacking in mobility.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

brady · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2003, 03:16:41 PM »

"Historically, the Ostwind was an improvement over the Wirbelwind since 20 mm (or less) was considered insufficient for anti-aircraft purposes. (This matched the British experience.) "

Ture this is, howeaver in AH most people have a very hard time hitting with the osty during deflection shoting, the spray and pray potential of the Quad 20mm gun mount on the Wilberwind would defentaly enhance it's hit potential imo, Historical fact and In game reality do not always coincide. Also just a few pings of the 20mm ammo would toast most planes, just like a few pings of 20mm Hispano ammo toast most planes.

"The Wirbelwind predecessor SdKfz 161/3 actually had twin 37 mm cannon, but it didn't have any gun crew protection and could only open fire after lowering to turret sides to form the crew platform, so it was really lacking in mobility."

Their was no Twin 37mm mount produced on the Mobile wagon series, the 37mm mount was a single gun, the same gun as used on the osty( I beleave), and the Quad 20mm mount produced in the mobile wagon sieries was the same as used in the Wilberwind, although in an open mount similar to that shon in the picture.

2cm Flakvierling 38 auf Sfl PzKpfw IV SdKfz 161/3

3,7cm Flak 43 auf Sfl PzKpfw IV SdKfz 161/3( shown Bellow)

Terror · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2003, 03:33:29 PM »

Check the M15 in this thread. I think this would be a nice addition for AA vehicles:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64793&highlight=multiple

And more info here:

M15 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage

Terror

Terror · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2003, 03:36:06 PM »

How about the M26 Pershing? Looks like this would be good opposition to the TIGER. A 90mm main gun should have some punch....

Terror

brady · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2003, 04:53:37 PM »

I think their were only 7 in Europe, at the very end of the war, they saw some action, but it was quiet limited. A better choice imo would be a M4A3, it could be used a lot more(the Sherman) in events and the CT and would be non perked.

AGJV44_Rot 1 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2003, 12:49:47 AM »

I know of a Nashorn killing a pershing on west front but as far as its action was rather limited.

Arlo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 14, 2003, 01:27:55 AM »

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Originally posted by brady
I think their were only 7 in Europe, at the very end of the war, they saw some action, but it was quiet limited. A better choice imo would be a M4A3, it could be used a lot more(the Sherman) in events and the CT and would be non perked.