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« on: February 13, 2003, 06:07:10 AM »
A freind sent me this,sorry if its been posted already.

 The following interview was conducted by a reporter for the
 Al-Jazeera network with the third-in-command of the Al Queda organization, Mr.  Mohammed Al-Asuquf. Al-Asuquf's background is impressive; a doctorate in  physics and masters in international economics. In the interview,  he talks  of Al Queda's plans with total detachment, with deep knowledge  and an unshakeable commitment to his cause. This interview was sent to
 Abel-Bari  Atwan, chief editor of Al Quds, an Arabic-language newspaper published in  London, but was never printed, due to its highly revealing inflammatory?]  contents.  A copy of the interview came to Foz-do-Iguacu, and was translated into  Portuguese by a university professor in the city's Arab community. This is  probably the only existing version of this interview not in Arabic.
 

 Al-Jazeera: What is the objective of the Al Queda network?
 Al-Asuquf: To destroy the Great Satan, that is, the United States
 and Israel.
 
 Al-Jazeera: Why?
 Al-Asuquf: The USA over the past 60 years has been impregnating
 [infecting] the world with its arrogance, greed and malfeasance. It  is the incarnation of all that is evil. The people of this planet
 don't deserve this torture.
 
 Al-Jazeera: Isn't this view somewhat one-sided?
 Al-Asuquf: No; one only has to observe recent events. The
 disrespect of the Kyoto treaty; the case of the Permanent Court of International  Justice, their inaction with regards to our Palestinian brothers;  the financial greed and absurd speculations in Third World  countries; the complete indifference to other oppressed people and  countless other situations which
 all of the world's leaders well know. And on top of all that, the
 Bush  doctrine of "shoot first and ask questions later." This is an
unacceptable  abuse and will therefore have very grave consequences.

 Al-Jazeera: But the isn't the development and influence of America  the fruit of its own competence?  Al-Asuquf: Competence in extortion, competence in subjugation,
competence  in lying. After the Second World War, the USA was the only industrialized  country with its manufacturing infrastructure intact. Loaning money
 like a  good loan shark, it ended up becoming a very rich and powerful  country; however, its greed remained undiminished. Today, Americans  live like Maharajas [King], wasting more than any other people,  spending more than 880 billion per year just on gambling. They've  lost any notion of spiritualityand live in constant sin. With each  passing day the USA  demonstrates that it doesn't know how to live with other  peoples; for  this, it deserves destruction.
 
  Al-Jazeera: Wouldn't it be easier to simply assassinate President George  Bush?
 Al-Asuquf: In the first place, it would do no good, other than
 turning him into a martyr. When you face a powerful enemy, the best  strategy is not to  kill him, but to make him lose his leadership due to his  incompetence, and  let him live to watch this unfold.  

 Al-Jazeera: Does the Al Queda network have the military capacity to make  war on the United States?
 Al-Asuquf: If we analyze history, we will see that all great wars,
 before they were started, were based on previously established
 concepts [of war]. But if we observe well, we will see that these concepts and  strategies came to nothing, since a new type of war was ultimately  waged. An example is theconstruction of the Maginot line by the  French before the First World War, which, in reality proved to be  completely useless against the invading
 forces. Aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, and spy satellites
 will be  useless in the next war.
 
 Al-Jazeera: American authorities hold more than 1,000 people
 suspected of  terrorism since September 11th. Won't this compromise Al Queda's  plans?
  Al-Asuquf: Of those imprisoned, perhaps 20 to 30 percent belong to  Al Queda. Moreover, they are from the second echelon. We have more than 500 members of the first echelon and 800 from the second,  inside the United States.

 Al-Jazeera: What do you mean by first and second echelons?
 Al-Asuquf: In the first echelon are Al Queda members who have been  in the  United States for more than 10 years, many married with children.  They have detailed knowledge of our plans and are just waiting for a  phone call. They  are also known as "sleepers." Those of the second echelon have arrived in  the last five years and have no idea of our plans.

 Al-Jazeera: Are even those who are married, with children, ready to die  with their families?
 Al-Asuquf: Yes. All of them are ready to die. Long live September
11th..
Al-Jazeera: What was September 11th to Al Queda's overall plans?
 Al-Asuquf: As a general step, it was just the beginning. It was a  way of  calling the world's attention to what is still to come.
 
 Al-Jazeera: How many members does Al Queda have?
 Al-Asuquf: In the first echelon, about 5,000; in the second, about
 20,000, all over the world.
 Al-Jazeera: In the detention camp at Guantanamo, are there any
 members of  the first echelon?
 Al-Asuquf: No, in fact, many of those there are not even Al Queda  members.  
 Al-Jazeera: How does Al Queda intend to destroy the most powerful nation  in history?
 Al-Asuquf: It's a question of logistics. Using its own poison, that
 is, attacking the heart of what they consider the most important
 thing in the  world: money.
  Al-Jazeera: How so?
 Al-Asuquf: The American economy is an economy of false appearances. There  is no real economic ballast to the American economy. The American  GDP of is something around 810 trillion, of which just 1 percent  represents agriculture, and just 24 percent represents industry.  Therefore, 75 percent
 of the American GDP is service and most of this is financial
speculation.
 For those who understand economics, and it appears that the
 American Secretary of the Treasury, Paul O'Neil, doesn't or doesn't  see it, it's enough to say that the USA acts like a huge "dot-com,"  and dollars, strictly speaking, are its shares.

 Al-Jazeera: Can you explain that?
 Al-Asuquf: The value of a company's shares is directly proportional
 to the profitability of the enterprise. When a business is just a
 service provider  and doesn't produce any durable goods, the value of its shares depends on  its credibility. Which is to say that if the credibility of the USA
were  shaken, its shares (the dollar) would fall with incredible rapidity  and the entire American economy would begin to collapse.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2003, 06:07:45 AM »
Part two:
 Al-Jazeera: How can you be so sure of this?
 Al-Asuquf: On a smaller scale, it's exactly what large financial
groups  do to the countries of the third world to reap profits in one month that  Swiss banks couldn't get in four or five years.
 Al-Jazeera: So how will Al Queda shock the American economy to this  point?
 Al-Asuquf: By provoking a deficit of between 850 and 870 trillion
 dollars, the equivalent of the United States' GDP for five to seven
 years.
 Al-Jazeera: How will this be done?
 Al-Asuquf: With the destruction of the seven largest American
 cities, along with other measures.
  Al-Jazeera: By what means will this be done?
 Al-Asuquf: Using atomic bombs.
  Al-Jazeera: With all of the security in the USA, how,
 hypothetically, will these bombs be smuggled onto American soil?
 Al-Asuquf: They won't be smuggled in, they're already there.
  Al-Jazeera: What are you saying?
 Al-Asuquf: There are already seven nuclear devices on American soil  which were put in place before September 11th and are ready to be detonated.
  Al-Jazeera: How did they get in to the USA?
 Al-Asuquf: Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even  after, were it necessary, we could manage to smuggle bombs into the
United  States. They entered through seaports, as normal cargo.
  Al-Jazeera: How is that possible?
 Al-Asuquf: A nuclear device is no bigger than a refrigerator;
therefore,  it can be easily camouflaged as one. Millions of cargo containers arrive  in  seaports each day, and no matter how efficient security is, it's  impossible to check, search through and examine each container.

 Al-Jazeera: Where did these atomic bombs come from?
 Al-Asuquf: They were purchased on the black market.
  Al-Jazeera: From whom?
 Al-Asuquf: We bought five from the defunct Soviet Union and two
 more from  Pakistan.
 Al-Jazeera: How is it possible to buy an atomic bomb? Isn't there
 security?
 Al-Asuquf: Before 1989 it was practically impossible, however after  the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Russian army began a process of  self destruction, and some high generals began to lose their  privileges, and therefore, highly susceptible to corruption. Even  General Lebeb, now deceased, and Hans Blix, the head of the arms  inspection commission of the
 United Nations, have stated this, notwithstanding denials by Russian  Defense Minister Seguey Ivanov.


 Al-Jazeera: How much does a nuclear bomb cost?
 Al-Asuquf: Somewhere around 8200 million.
 Al-Jazeera: How did Al Queda get this money?
 Al-Asuquf: We have numerous sponsors.
 Al-Jazeera: Who are they?
 Al-Asuquf: There are a number of countries which support us, and  also numerous wealthy individuals.
 Al-Jazeera: Are all of these countries Arab?
 Al-Asuquf: No, there are some European countries as well which have  an interest in the fall of the USA.
 Al-Jazeera: Who are these wealthy individuals?
 Al-Asuquf: People who are also tired of watching the USA suck the wealth out of the rest of the world.
 
 Al-Jazeera: Is Saddam Hussein one of them?
 Al-Asuquf: You could say that he's just one of the collaborators,
through  Abdul Tawab Mullah Hawaish, his vice-prime minister and the person  responsible for Iraq's arms program.
 Al-Jazeera: Are these atomic bombs powerful ones?
 Al-Asuquf: The five Russian devices are from the old T-3 missiles,
also  known as RD-107s, and their potency is something around 100 kilotons  each, that is, 5 times as powerful as the Hiroshima bomb. The
 Pakistani bombs are  less powerful, somewhere around 10 kilotons.
 Al-Jazeera: Can't the bombs be detected and disarmed by American  authorities?
 Al-Asuquf: No, in spite of their age they've undergone
modernization and  are well hidden. Even if they were found, they have autodetonation  provisions should anything get close to them. Even electromagnetic pulses would be incapable of deactivating them.
 Al-Jazeera: Don't they emit radiation? Can't they be detected?
 Al-Asuquf: No. They are wrapped in thick leaden cases.
 Al-Jazeera: A suspected Pakistani ship was recently searched and  all that  was found were lead bars. Does this have anything to do with the  bombs?
  Al-Asuquf: Yes, however that lead was just an extra layer, and was  not essentially necessary.
  Al-Jazeera: How will the bombs be detonated?
 Al-Asuquf: There are numerous methods, a cell-phone call, radio
 frequency, seismic shocks or by timer.
 Al-Jazeera: Once detonated, how many deaths will be caused by these  bombs?
 Al-Asuquf: It depends, since our plans are very malleable.
  Al-Jazeera: So what is the entire plan?
 Al-Asuquf: The beginning will be the detonation of a nuclear
device, which will cause the death of between 800 thousand and one  million people and create chaos on a scale never seen before. During  this chaos, two or three
 cropsprayers that are now dismantled and stored in granaries
 [silos?] close to little-used highways in the countryside will take
 off on suicide missions to spray two or three large American cities  with smallpox. That means that once the smallpox has been  identified, all airports and seaports will be closed by quarantine. Land borders will likewise be shut down..  Not
 one airplane, ship or vehicle will enter or leave the United States.
This  will cause total chaos. White House Press secretary Ari Fleischman  will be  very busy.
 Al-Jazeera: But the American government has guaranteed that within  five days it could produce enough smallpox vaccine to inoculate the  entire population.
 Al-Asuquf: There will be simultaneous suicide attacks against the
vaccine production plants.
Al-Jazeera: Which will be the first city?
 Al-Asuquf: The first city will be that in which optimal conditions
 present themselves, for example, clear skies, and winds of eight
 miles-per- hour  or  less in the direction of the country's center so that radioactive  dust can  contaminate the maximum possible area.
 Al-Jazeera: Will this attack annihilate the USA?
 Al-Asuquf: No. But the process will have begun. Who will buy food  products from the United States knowing they may have been  contaminated by  radiation? Who will travel to the United States knowing the possibility of contracting smallpox? Who will continue to invest in American institutions? Just as with the World Trade Center, it will be  simply a question of time  before the entire economic structure collapses and turns to dust. If our
 objectives are reached with one bomb and the smallpox, probably we'll  save  the lives of others, however that's risky [unlikely?], and it's probable  that six more bombs will be detonated, one per week, and other attacks  with chemical weapons will be carried out.
 Al-Jazeera: How many innocent people will die?
 Al-Asuquf: According to estimates made by me and Ayman Al-Zawahiro,  somewhere around 15 million due to the atomic bombs and their radiation.
 Of those exposed to smallpox, 25 percent will die, approximately
 five million, and many more due to the ensuing chaos and disorder.  
 Al-Jazeera: What about the American military response?
 Al-Asuquf: There will practically be none. Even if five or ten
 cities were chosen at random to be destroyed, that would still be a small price to pay.
 The problem is the economic despair will be so great that even
economizing  by not using arms unnecessarily will occur, since the liquidity of  American goods will be almost zero and at that point the United  States will make more  selling its Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, which cost about five billion  dollars, to Turkey or Italy for one billion dollars, since the
 country will so urgently need to recapitalize, though it will be too
 late.  Moreover, how will the morale of American soldiers be knowing
 that their entire families have died and their country no longer
 exists. Fight for what?   Al-Jazeera: And won't the global economy also be ruined?
 Al-Asuquf: In the beginning it will be very difficult; a serious
 economic crisis will ensue. However, without the United States, the  world will soon  arise in a more just and fraternal manner.
 Al-Jazeera: And Israel?
 Al-Asuquf: As they say... it will be dessert.
  Al-Jazeera: Does bin Laden's spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Gheith, know  that you are giving this interview?
 Al-Asuquf: It was he and bin Laden who suggested I give it.
  Al-Jazeera: Osama bin Laden is still alive?
 Al-Asuquf: He is quite healthy, alongside his commanders Mohammed
 Atef and Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar.
  Al-Jazeera: Aren't you fearful that Al Queda's plans will be
discovered?
 Al-Asuquf: The plan is already in its countdown, and nothing can
 stop it.
  Al-Jazeera: Not even if the United States asks forgiveness and
 changes its attitudes?
 Al-Asuquf: That won't happen, and even if it did, it's too late.
 Al-Jazeera: When will the attack begin?
 Al-Asuquf: I can't reveal that. Allah Akbar.

 I hope this aint for real,The uneasyness I felt when the Cold war was still on is nuthing to the way I feel now...
Joc

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2003, 06:21:29 AM »
roadkill on so many different levels.

Especially the part about European countries giving money to Al Queda for a nuke! lol I almost expected it to name France and Germany.

The rest is scare-mongering nonsense, with enough detail to make it sound legit, but even a cursory inspection shows how fraudulent it is.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2003, 06:26:41 AM »
My God.

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2003, 07:32:53 AM »
There isn't anything there that we haven't already speculated on.


Btw, Joc, you are supposed to feel terror.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2003, 07:44:57 AM »
I suppose there's a chance they have acquired nukes and smuggled them in.

The mistake he and his operatives make is in underestimating the people of the US.

They obviously view us as if we have no fortitude and endurance.

They might pull something like this off.

However, it wouldn't be the end, it would be the true beginning.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2003, 07:45:48 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2003, 07:48:20 AM »
Theres not one dang thing we can do about it..  I'll just pull the sheet back over my head and go back to bed...

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2003, 08:03:25 AM »
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Theres not one dang thing we can do about it..  I'll just pull the sheet back over my head and go back to bed...


"Maybe it will just go away!" ;)

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2003, 08:04:38 AM »
What really cracks me up is this morons underestimation of us in the USA and our Allies. Okay..they nuke 7 cities... guess what? We're still here. The dream lives.... you cant break us.

I reallllly think they have NO idea how GD stubborn we can be. I really dont. I think his organization is simply repeating the mistakes made by others in the past. "The US is weak and moraly corrupt, they'll collapase at the first sign of adversity".... heh, yea. Take a hard look at how we reacted to 9/11.



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P.S. Just saw that Toad said the same thing... doh.  Anyway.. Toad.
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2003, 08:14:11 AM »
Out of interest, do you really believe this interview is genuine?
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2003, 08:21:03 AM »
I dont know Dowding... maybe maybe not.

I think what matters is that we, the west, simply let others know that we realise we might die but quess what... we are as prepared as they are.


Dont tread on us.

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2003, 08:23:50 AM »
I wouldn't believe that they would sit in a room and make this all up without at least talking to someone.

Whether that someone knows anything, whether he is anyone important, and whether he is telling what he believes to the be truth are beyond my knowing.

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2003, 08:39:32 AM »
If Al-Q had any nuclear weapons - especially ones already in place in the U.S.A. - they would have been detonated already.

All they'd need to do to to easily prove the posession of the Russian weapons would be to reveal the ID of the weapons.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2003, 08:41:24 AM »
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Out of interest, do you really believe this interview is genuine?


It doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what you believe.  I'm sure we can reason with them, don't you?