Author Topic: Great American Communists (Read 2015 times)

majic · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2003, 08:51:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Thats where we differ.. thats what got me writing to my government leaders, whats got me in a froth on the BBS..

I see a clear immediate threat to America. You do not. I've put up the points.. connected them for you, shown what, why and where.

Would you have us just clean up the rubble, bury our dead and do nothing?

This is no more about democracy or human rights than engaging hitler was.. Its about a 2-bit pissant mass murdering dictator of a foriegn land that we were willing to leave alone if he complied with the terms of his surrender after invading a neighboring country.

This dictator violated the terms of his surrender from our last confrontation... a far too generous set of terms, apparently. Thanks to our clemency, saddam continued to build and procure the material for WMD, defy and violate our enforcement of those terms and as a final insult, invited in terrorist refugees from afganistan, and is now known to be supporting extremist terrorist groups.

It's about threatining America, promising us retribution for the 1991 conflict and expecting to do so... and unless we step on this ant, his audacity will spawn many more insects also promising death to america. If we don't put this guy out of power, what chance do we have of curbing the Israli's.. of forcing NK to surrender ITS WMD... the list is long. Saddam is at the top of it.

Terrorists have struck in America. hideously. From the cockpits of commercial airliners, in the most treacherous attack ever implemented by terrorists. Sadam is now hosting more of these terrorists. He's as deserving of american military attention as Hitler was.

If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.
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Hang:

For a while now I have been on the ledge, so to speak, about war with Iraq. It may seem silly, but you have actually clarified here in (the above post) what I didn't get. I now understand. It sucks, but it must be done.

blitz · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2003, 08:52:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Blitz.. to defend your views on Iraq you dig in yer bag and pull out:

Communists
Vietnam vets without dicks
Columbine
The War on Drugs

I figured Greenpeace would be next.. guess what?

What part of 'Go Away" escaped your comprehension?

You'll make me sorry hang.

Communists youre referring to just as vietnam vets were ya friends in vietnam, they've seen the same toejam as you, they just came to a different conclusion that's all.

'Bowling for Columbine' ? Not the 'Movie of the Century' but interesting. Try it my friend if ya could stand that.

Regards Blitz

Iraq is threathening America in no way, it's just plain rediculous.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:05:21 PM »

Once again blitz is saying communism is a good thing. May you be cursed by the souls of hundreds of millions of victims of communist tyranny.

diddly You Blitz!

Cabby44 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:12:06 PM »

A German lecturing Americans on Freedom and War???

That'll be the f*king day......

I think Michael Moore is Socialist amazinhunk and i couldn't care less what his opinion is on ANYTHING. And that goes for you too, Blitz....

Cabby

blitz · « **Reply #19 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:13:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Cabby44
A German lecturing Americans on Freedom and War???

That'll be the f*king day......

I think Michael Moore is Socialist amazinhunk and i couldn't care less what his opinion is on ANYTHING. And that goes for you too, Blitz....

Cabby

Regards Blitz

ra · « **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:19:18 PM »

<<< Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points. >>>

Valid points because they agree with you?

I can't seem to remember huge peace rallys in European capiltals when the USSR invaded Afganistan. These peace rallys are 75% anti-America rallys.

ra

blitz · « **Reply #21 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:29:22 PM »

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Originally posted by ra
<<< Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points. >>>

Valid points because they agree with you?

I can't seem to remember huge peace rallys in European capiltals when the USSR invaded Afganistan. These peace rallys are 75% anti-America rallys.

ra

Did ya see any when USA invaded Grenada?

Regards Blitz

America isn't threathened by Iraq in any way , it's just plain
rediculous.

wulfie · « **Reply #22 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:43:40 PM »

"Did ya see any when USA invaded Grenada?"

This just a 'FYI', type post - interesting story type post. Actually arguing that communism (as seen in real life) is evil is like having to argue that smoking is bad for you...you constantly find yourself saying 'am I really having to be serious about this?'.

I've spent alot of time in the 'windward isles'/'The Grenadines' - Grenada, St. Vincent, Beqay, etc. I was working there when I was there, and in very close contact with the local populace.

My fellow Americans will be glad to know that those people *love* the U.S.A. I had a middle-aged Mother say to me (in St. Vincent, about 20 min. outside the capital) "We were so scared...that the Cubans and their communists would come here from Grenada, and the American soldiers came and stopped them I was so relieved!"

I've been to the airfield that was being constructed on Grenada, years after the invasion in '83 (I had nothing to do with the invasion, I was still in H.S.).

One of my favorites about the invasion of Grenada. A (communist) democratic congressman was arguing against U.S. intervention. He sent a 'fact finding' mission to Grenada. After the invasion, we captured documents explaining that the head of the 'fact finding mission' briefed the head of the Cuban backed communist forces along the following lines:

"Here is a copy of what we will present to the U.S. congress. The Congressman wants you to know if you think any changes need to be made, just tell us and we'll make them".

A very detailed overview of the invasion of Grenada and the attempt of blatantly communist and anti-U.S. *American politicians* to thwart such an invasion can be found in David Horowitz' book (I can't recall the title but if you find a paper called 'Another Low Dishonest Decade on the Left' by Horowitz the story is in there as well).

Blitz, I'd like to see some documentation - DOB, SSN, etc. of those 'communist U.S. veterans' - I'll bet good money a decent % of them are claming service in the military that they cannot lay claim to.

"Tell papa Stalin there has been a mistake! We aren't getting any food! Tell him we are starving he must find out!"

- from a peasant farmer's Wife to Josef Stalin's Wife at a train station in the Ukraine in the 1920s

Mike/wulfie

blitz · « **Reply #23 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:52:38 PM »

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Originally posted by wulfie
"Did ya see any when USA invaded Grenada?"

This just a 'FYI', type post - interesting story type post. Actually arguing that communism (as seen in real life) is evil is like having to argue that smoking is bad for you...you constantly find yourself saying 'am I really having to be serious about this?'.

I've spent alot of time in the 'windward isles'/'The Grenadines' - Grenada, St. Vincent, Beqay, etc. I was working there when I was there, and in very close contact with the local populace.

My fellow Americans will be glad to know that those people *love* the U.S.A. I had a middle-aged Mother say to me (in St. Vincent, about 20 min. outside the capital) "We were so scared...that the Cubans and their communists would come here from Grenada, and the American soldiers came and stopped them I was so relieved!"

I've been to the airfield that was being constructed on Grenada, years after the invasion in '83 (I had nothing to do with the invasion, I was still in H.S.).

One of my favorites about the invasion of Grenada. A (communist) democratic congressman was arguing against U.S. intervention. He sent a 'fact finding' mission to Grenada. After the invasion, we captured documents explaining that the head of the 'fact finding mission' briefed the head of the Cuban backed communist forces along the following lines:

"Here is a copy of what we will present to the U.S. congress. The Congressman wants you to know if you think any changes need to be made, just tell us and we'll make them".

A very detailed overview of the invasion of Grenada and the attempt of blatantly communist and anti-U.S. *American politicians* to thwart such an invasion can be found in David Horowitz' book (I can't recall the title but if you find a paper called 'Another Low Dishonest Decade on the Left' by Horowitz the story is in there as well).

Blitz, I'd like to see some documentation - DOB, SSN, etc. of those 'communist U.S. veterans' - I'll bet good money a decent % of them are claming service in the military that they cannot lay claim to.

"Tell papa Stalin there has been a mistake! We aren't getting any food! Tell him we are starving he must find out!"

- from a peasant farmer's Wife to Josef Stalin's Wife at a train station in the Ukraine in the 1920s

Mike/wulfie

Don't ya went nuts wulfie!

I was at Cuba as a tourist at the very same time and i asure ya Cuba had no plans in invading Grenada but planing invading the whole USA.
Great ya folks kicked that commies asses. Feel saver now.

Regards Blitz

America is threathened by Iraq in no way.

wulfie · « **Reply #24 on:** February 15, 2003, 10:23:22 PM »

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Originally posted by blitz
Don't ya went nuts wulfie!

I was at Cuba as a tourist at the very same time and i asure ya Cuba had no plans in invading Grenada but planing invading the whole USA.
Great ya folks kicked that commies asses. Feel saver now.

Regards Blitz

America is threathened by Iraq in no way.

As a tourist?

Then why would you know of Cuban military advisors, backing the communist forces in Grenada?

Why would you know of the Cuban supplied weapons?

Why would you know of the captured documents proving even more conclusively (I say more conclusively because the *only* reason for an airfield in Grenada that big - one being designed and built by Cuban engineers mind you - was for the support of Soviet bomber operations) that the airfield being constructed in Grenada was to be used for Soviet bombers (Cuba being a good servant of the Supreme Soviet and all).

This is no 'what if' - Cuban military advisors killed in the invasion (fighting U.S. troops) were returned to Cuba for military burial. Crates of weapons and ammunition - from Cuba (IDd by blatant stenciling) were captured in Grenada.

And where is your 'proof', or the 'proof' of your fellow demonstrators that Iraq is no threat to the U.S. Threat to the U.S.? They're a threat to Israel, the U.S., the 'free' world in general and the world economy.

The U.S. has better things to do that spend billions of U.S. dollars and put it's military personnel at risk deposing governments that are no theat. Do you really, honestly believe that this is all some 'war for oil' underhanded scheme by the U.S. government?

If Iraq was 'no threat', then why in the hell did 1441 not get attacked at inception by every member of the U.N. except the U.S.?

Mike/wulfie

funkedup · « **Reply #25 on:** February 15, 2003, 11:19:19 PM »

It's amazing how good the Communist propaganda machine was. It's been dead for 12 years and people are still hypnotized by it.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #26 on:** February 15, 2003, 11:57:37 PM »

Yep they were very good at fooling naive childish simpletons like blitz. But I'm still amazed how the people fell for it - I mean how on earth did they, like blitz, accept the idea that communism was good when they saw the communist put up the berlin wall in 1961, and even before that block food shipments to berlin in 1948. That a berliner today thinks communism and communist leaders are a good idea is profound testiment to the power of comminist brainwashing.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** February 16, 2003, 02:38:01 AM »

I was a little communist pioneer, had a red bandana, blue hat and this cool little red and gold enameled Star. They had us singing political propaganda songs in third grade.

But yes my hatred of communism certainly has its roots in the fact that I'm from a communist sytem and have been able to see the vast diference from that to the USA.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2003, 02:48:18 AM »

It's starting to look more and more that America, faced with a new and invisible threat, desperately tries to find a target to respond to. It can't use it's military force to attack the terrorists because they're simply not concentrated in one single spot. Your neighbour could be one.

Iraq will be the first victim on the way.. After that it's more than likely that Al-Qaeda will launch a new large attack to revenge the deaths of thier brothers-of-religion.

What then? We've rooted out afghanistan and Iraq.. It's time to start looking at mountains in Pakistan where Al-Qaeda refugees from afghanistan most probably reside at the moment, despite of Pakistan's status as a 'friendly' nation.

Only trouble is, Paki's have nukes..

wulfie · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2003, 06:58:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It's starting to look more and more that America, faced with a new and invisible threat, desperately tries to find a target to respond to. It can't use it's military force to attack the terrorists because they're simply not concentrated in one single spot. Your neighbour could be one.

Iraq will be the first victim on the way.. After that it's more than likely that Al-Qaeda will launch a new large attack to revenge the deaths of thier brothers-of-religion.

What then? We've rooted out afghanistan and Iraq.. It's time to start looking at mountains in Pakistan where Al-Qaeda refugees from afghanistan most probably reside at the moment, despite of Pakistan's status as a 'friendly' nation.

Only trouble is, Paki's have nukes..

"desperately tries to find a target to respond to"

Yeah, no threats have been responded too. You know this because it hasn't been reported on CNN.

"It can't use it's military force to attack the terrorists because they're simply not concentrated in one single spot. Your neighbour could be one."

Yeah, every single terrorist that has been captured or killed is listed on Barbara Walter's website, along with the U.S. (and U.K., and German, and French) military units involved in said action.

"despite of Pakistan's status as a 'friendly' nation."

Since 9/11/01, more Pakistani intelligence officers have been killed while trying to capture/kill/gather information on Al-Q than every other Nation's intelligence services combined. Often times they aren't given funerals as their own families have disowned them (for 'betraying' Islam). Pakistan is an easy media target. Don't believe everything you hear about them on NBC nightly news. Here's a hint - when you see some vague report stating 'suspected terrorist captured after gun battle on Pakistani border, 2 agents killed and 4 wounded', the 2 and the 4 are (usually) Pakistani military and/or intelligence types.

Pakistani CT, intel, and military types hate people that make a living out of blowing up women and children like everyone else's CT, intel, and military types.

Mike/wulfie