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« on: February 15, 2003, 05:37:51 PM »
Soldiers and Veterans:
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Blalock, Dave Viet Nam Veteran, U.S.Army 1968-71, VVAW(AI),STWB
Anton Black Navy/USA 1977-84 member VVAWAI
AULET Revolution Anarchiste en Espagne 1936-1937  
Bernd Lukoschik Deutsche Bundeswehr 1972-73  
Bob Hanafin US Army , Vietnam 63-64 V.V.A.W.
Calle Kleiner Deutsche Bundeswehr, 1982-83 Germany
Carol Carlisle Civilian employee, U.S. Embassy, Saigon, Vietnam  
Christopher Bertone USMC  
Conny Renkl  Deutsche Bundeswehr 1967-69 Teilnehmer am Soldatenmarsch 1984
Craig Muma US Army, 1972-75  
David Owen carson U.S. Army 4/7 Inf 3rd Brigade 3 Inf. Div.
Don Broadell Capt. USMC (RESIGNED) The Truth and Nothing But the Truth. That's what your notic
Don Broadwell USMC  
Ed Orleman US Marine Corps  
Edwin K Lainhart US Navy 1964-68  
Elam,Shraga Israel Veteran of 1967 & 1973 wars
Eyal Rozenberg Israeli Intelligence 1999-2000  
Feld, Steve U.S.Army, 1983-84, Ch.10 Discharge "For the Good of the Army"
Flowers, Dean USAF Ret. Every No-Win War the US was involved in, 1950-1976
Georg Sievers PzArt., BW 1999-2000 , BRD  
George Pumphrey Army 1968-70  
Greg A. O'Neill Navy (70-74) Army (79-83) USA
Guillard, Joachim Deutsche Bundeswehr, 1977-79, Germany Stop den zensierten Massenmord in Irak
Herbert Polifka NVA-Gefreiter / Pionier, DDR German Democratic Republic
Holger Auerswald NVA -DDR, Nachrichten Kompanie 1181  
Ingebreth Forus Infantry / Homeguard Norway
John King Air Force, United States  
John L.Opperman USN (1951-1973)  
John w Covey usaf  
Juergen Winter German Army. Jan-Oct.2001 Veteran
Jürgen Hinrichs German Wehrmacht,  WWII  
Lloyd Mercer U.S.Army 1965-68  
Marcus Johnson u s army  
Max Renkl Reservist der Bundeswehr, 1996  
Michael Behrendt Reservist der Bundeswehr, Germany (German Army Reserves)
Michael Franke Veteran NVA/Deutschland  
Michael Zöpfel, Nationale Volksarmee, 1986-1989,DDR (German Democratic Republic)
Mike Ellis British Army 1984 - 1992 Gulf War Veteran
Mike King USMC/US  
Moshe Yaalon Israely Army  
Nichols, Ken U.S.Marine Corps, 1989-92 Gulf War Veteran; Stateless World Citizen
Nimrod Halpern Israeli Defence Forces  
Peter R. Deveau United States Navy 1960 to 1964  
Rizzo, John USAF, 1957-65 Anti-Vietnam War Vet
Samuel A Guillen National Guard/USA  
Smith, Bryan British Army Veteran
Summers, Darnell Stephen U.S.Army,1966-70 Viet Nam Veteran; VVAW(AI)/STWB
Vietnam Veterans Against The War Anti Imperialist USA TheVets@vvawai.org
Wesley Sudbury U.S. Army  
Supporter:
Name Comments
Anja Gärtner  
Barbara Ellingsen  
Catarina Grilo  
Christian Fichtner  
Claudia Hartwig-Dolter  
Conny Renkl Deutsche Bundeswehr 1967-69, Teilnehmer am Soldatenmarsch 1984  
Cornelia Barth Its time for the Nesara-Law to come in Order to stop this evil Regime once and for all.
Deborah-Leigh Acs every gun that is fired, every warship launched... signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. dwight d. eisenhower  
DEVOS  
Eldhun I SUPPORT EVERYBODY AGAINST WAR!HOPE!
G. James Anti-Vietnam War Vet, Conscientious Objector  Status  since1970  and  PROUD OF IT
gaertner-coulibaly, brigitte  
gerard Lapagesse Thanks from the bottom of my heart, guys, for this initiative attempting to restaure some of America's humanitarian ideals.Patriotism should never be limited to unanimous goose-stepping behind any flag, nor any barking general in chief. People have never been so educated and informed in history; it is about time they use their brain and individual thinking, instead of sheepishly following the first war monger who barks  
Guido Vanham, MD PhD Great initiative. Please carry on.  
Gärtner, Elfriede und Dieter  
Hans Martin Hoff  
Heinrich, Anton und Karin Wir unterstützen voll inhaltlich diesen Appell.We support this call in full content.Anton und Karin Heinrich  
Ilse Mühlsteph  
Ingrid Brown Anyone who has experienced war first hand will never want war again. I am very much against this projected attack on Iraq.
isabel schneider  
Jacques NENO  
Jean-Charles CABANEL Il n'y a pas de  
Joachim Schmucker  
Joana Silva  
johanna schneider  
Lorscheidt I would like all humans those am ready, this US president and its Oelmafia with its war adventures into the arm to fall to support!!!!! Peter Lorscheidt  
Matt Leitch There was never a good war or a bad peace!
MAUDEUX Henriette j'ai 85 ans et n'ai pas de moyens informatiquesà ma disposition. J'ai connu votre appel par l'intermédiaire de ma fille (signataire égalememnt, et manifestant à Paris aujourd'hui)Je lui ai demandé de faire le nécessaire en mon nom.J'adhère complètement à votre appel ! les guerres n'ont jamais rien arrangées, seul les intérêts de toutes natures les ont déclenchées pour le grand malheur des populations .
Max Renkl Reservist der Bundeswehr, 1996
meike lu schneider  
Miguel Mora de la Rosa i don´t understand why the most people don´t recognize or see the toejamty political situation in the usa. All people think about money money and beauty. :-) the most people think, if our life in here is ok, don´t think about Africa for example. Ok they think about it,but they make no action to change this world situation.bush is antichrist and nobody knows.Why more money for military when they say the world need no war. death in the name of god?How can we make this opinion to more people in the world. WE NEED ONE PERSON OR A GROUP to represent us in media etc. A visuelle person!I´m a fighter for our rights, but often it´s a war against windmills like DON QUICHOTE. Isn´t it?peacem.
Miriam Grundig  
Monvoisin Come on, keep it hard !R
Natalie C. Mannering  
Nicolas Pierlot  
Patrik Ebbers, Dipl. social worker I heard from your campaign at the demonstration at Frankfurt Air Base a few days ago. Meanwhile I copied your internatinal call and handed it to my american neighbours here in Darmstadt. It is not much, but it is something I could do and I am very thankful for this opportunity you gave me. I also wrote a  
PAUL Evelyne Tout est dit dans ce message, et c'est loin d'être devenu un  
PDS Neukölln  
Pecourt Stéphanie  
Peter Hornschuch Jeder Krieg ist ungerecht.
Revolutionäre Linke Zella-Mehlis  
rolland c No comment
salome schneider  
Stoffel George  
Sue Duerr yes!
Vandebeulque Nathalie  
Vietnam Veterans Against The War Anti Imperialist Please put the national organization down as signers.
Vincent Robeyns  
Wießler, Michael

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2003, 05:56:07 PM »
You forgot a column for what exactly was great about them.

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2003, 05:56:47 PM »
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incedible.

before I shelve my civility, may I ask your point, bltz?
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2003, 06:08:03 PM »
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incedible.

before I shelve my civility, may I ask your point, bltz?


Sure, appreceated :)

Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points.

Regards Blitz

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2003, 06:25:46 PM »
Ok.. fair enuff.

Shall I post a list of Pro War German Nazis?

I'm a Vietnam Veteran.. and not a Communist. Does that mean my points are not valid? You've yet to add a damn thing to the salient points in the discussion going on about why we're going to Iraq.

Other than it's just cool to protest. All 60's hippyish and stuff. Smoke some doobs and eat a few tabs of acid while you were out today?

Just wondering.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2003, 06:26:37 PM »
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Sure, appreceated :)

Meet some of them vietnam war vets on that list in real life at Berlin anti iraq war demonstration, nice guys with some valid points.

Regards Blitz

http://www.StopTheWarBrigade.ch



Whats up , Hang ?

Told ya these were communists.

Regards Blitz


 USA is threathened by Iraq in no way.

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2003, 06:36:56 PM »
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Ok.. fair enuff.

to Iraq.

Smoke some doobs and eat a few tabs of acid while you were out today?

Just wondering.


Don't ya told ya kickin ya bellybutton out with alcohol after some war movie? That's any better?

Bet ya are a nice guy in real life and i'm sure we could have some fun together but looks like we don't fit very well if it comes to politics.


Regards Blitz


btw. This demonstration was kinda work with that wheather conditions and 10km to work slowly - and i never take drugs like cigarettes, sugar, tabs, acid or heroin or alcohol at work, just don't fits :)

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2003, 06:55:56 PM »
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Don't ya told ya kickin ya bellybutton out with alcohol after some war movie? That's any better?


Just saw a war movie a few weeks ago. Made me physicly ill. Ruined my digestion. Gave me the shakes. Was worse than it was when I was there in person. I guess I'm not a tough as I was when I was a kid.  

I'm about as anti-war as a human can be.. from personal experience. But, the world is not an ideal place, and there are worse things than war. Auschwitz, Treblinka..  So, I'm not in the 'peace at any price' crowd either. Are you?

War is Diplomacys pure form.

We're about to demonstrate what happens when you fail at lesser forms of Diplomacy.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2003, 07:12:35 PM »
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Just saw a war movie a few weeks ago. Made me physicly ill. Ruined my digestion. Gave me the shakes. Was worse than it was when I was there in person. I guess I'm not a tough as I was when I was a kid.  

I'm about as anti-war as a human can be.. from personal experience. But, the world is not an ideal place, and there are worse things than war. Auschwitz, Treblinka..  So, I'm not in the 'peace at any price' crowd either. Are you?

War is Diplomacys pure form.

We're about to demonstrate what happens when you fail at lesser forms of Diplomacy.



No, i'm not. Was never a pacifist and doubt i'll be for some time.

But, can't see no Treblinka nor Auschwitz  at iraq nor a threat to the USA. What i believe to see is just some power policy. was called 'Kanonenbootpolitik' in former times.
I hate that and i hate it even more if it tries to hide as a fight for democrazy and human rights.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2003, 07:42:42 PM »
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But, can't see no Treblinka nor Auschwitz at iraq nor a threat to the USA. What i believe to see is just some power policy.


Thats where we differ.. thats what got me writing to my government leaders, whats got me in a froth on the BBS..

I see a clear immediate threat to America. You do not. I've put up the points.. connected them for you, shown what, why and where.

Would you have us just clean up the rubble, bury our dead and do nothing?

This is no more about democracy or human rights than engaging hitler was.. Its about a 2-bit pissant mass murdering dictator of a foriegn land that we were willing to leave alone if he complied with the terms of his surrender after invading a neighboring country.

This dictator violated the terms of his surrender from our last confrontation... a far too generous set of terms, apparently. Thanks to our clemency, saddam continued to build and procure the material for WMD, defy and violate our enforcement of those terms and as a final insult, invited in terrorist refugees from afganistan, and is now known to be supporting extremist terrorist groups.

It's about threatining America, promising us retribution for the 1991 conflict and expecting to do so... and unless we step on this ant, his audacity will spawn many more insects also promising death to america. If we don't put this guy out of power, what chance do we have of curbing the Israli's.. of forcing NK to surrender ITS WMD... the list is long. Saddam is at the top of it.

Terrorists have struck in America. hideously. From the cockpits of commercial airliners, in the most treacherous attack ever implemented by terrorists. Sadam is now hosting more of these terrorists. He's as deserving of american military attention as Hitler was.

If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2003, 07:57:23 PM »
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Thats where we differ.. thats what got me writing to my government leaders, whats got me in a froth on the BBS..

I see a clear immediate threat to America. You do not. I've put up the points.. connected them for you, shown what, why and where.

Would you have us just clean up the rubble, bury our dead and do nothing?

This is no more about democracy or human rights than engaging hitler was.. Its about a 2-bit pissant mass murdering dictator of a foriegn land that we were willing to leave alone if he complied with the terms of his surrender after invading a neighboring country.

This dictator violated the terms of his surrender from our last confrontation... a far too generous set of terms, apparently. Thanks to our clemency, saddam continued to build and procure the material for WMD, defy and violate our enforcement of those terms and as a final insult, invited in terrorist refugees from afganistan, and is now known to be supporting extremist terrorist groups.

It's about threatining America, promising us retribution for the 1991 conflict and expecting to do so... and unless we step on this ant, his audacity will spawn many more insects also promising death to america. If we don't put this guy out of power, what chance do we have of curbing the Israli's.. of forcing NK to surrender ITS WMD... the list is long. Saddam is at the top of it.

Terrorists have struck in America. hideously. From the cockpits of commercial airliners, in the most treacherous attack ever implemented by terrorists. Sadam is now hosting more of these terrorists. He's as deserving of american military attention as Hitler was.

If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.



Sorry , can't.

 You might want to see 'Bowling for Columbine' if that film is shown in America at all. It's an american documentation, american author, realized with american bucks.

Looks like your administration wants ya to life in fear, a terrorist behind every corner, be alert, get some water and some food in case the evil hordes are comin- don't forget your gasmask...
It's just plain redicuolous.
Damn what's about the war on drugs? Why ya lost it?

Defence minister will target american car industry next because 10 thousands of people die every year on car accidents?
Or alcohol industry because most of these accidents are caused of drunk people?

Regards Blitz

USA isn't theathened by Iraq in any way, it's redicuoous.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2003, 08:02:45 PM »
Blitz.. you come back with a documentary on the war on drugs?

What are you going to haul out next to prove that we are not threatened by Iraq.. Greenpeace?

Go away.. sorry I tried to reason with you.. reason is beyond your mental capacity.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2003, 08:04:43 PM »
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If you can't see that, then sir, I suggest your are blinded by pacifist propoganda.



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You might want to see 'Bowling for Columbine' if that film is shown in America at all. It's an american documentation, american author, realized with american bucks.


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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2003, 08:18:46 PM »
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Blitz.. you come back with a documentary on the war on drugs?

What are you going to haul out next to prove that we are not threatened by Iraq.. Greenpeace?

Go away.. sorry I tried to reason with you.. reason is beyond your mental capacity.


Ask some police men in your city about the war on drugs and tell me his answer.

What's wrong with Greenpeace other than special french forces killed 1 innocent greenpeace photograph in Auckland harbour when they sunk 'Rainbow Warriour'?

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2003, 08:42:13 PM »
Blitz.. to defend your views on Iraq you dig in yer bag and pull out:

Communists
Vietnam vets without dicks
Columbine
The War on Drugs

I figured Greenpeace would be next.. guess what?

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What's wrong with Greenpeace other than special french forces killed 1 innocent greenpeace photograph in Auckland harbour when they sunk 'Rainbow Warriour'?


What part of 'Go Away" escaped your comprehension?
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