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Offline Heater

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How many have actually been in a combat situation?
« on: February 17, 2003, 05:06:02 AM »
How many have actually been in a combat situation?

All this is not intended to "Flame" anyone but I am just curious,

How many of you have ever been in a combat situation ?

When and Where?
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2003, 07:58:38 AM »
I can vouch for Rangerbob and Phantom4 from our squad..Bob was an infantry soldier (see his story below) and Phantom4 was a "Back seater" in a (you guessed it) F4 Phantom, both in 'Nam.  Here's Bob's story:

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Let me tell you about 5 days of action, while we are operating as a combined unit, back when I was a Lieutenant, along the Laotian border looking for enemy base camps in 1968......

Aside from being the only Lt that lasted more than 2 weeks the entire time I was there, I was a bit like the Lt that took over in the story of the Band of Brothers episode just at the end of Bastogne, where they attack the town of Foy. If you remember, he takes over under fire from a Lt that panics in the field under fire. The new Lt runs across the line of fire in the open to
coordinate units, and then runs back to the other side. He is never hit, and the troops are amazed. I mention this, because the men thought I had some
kind of special luck, and many tried desperately to transfer into my unit.

When overrun I was wounded, but lived and fully recovered while the others died. After having 2 choppers shot out of the sky, mine is also hit, but crash lands in the drop zone where I walk away. That same day, when coming to the aid of another unit just ambushed, a medic was calling for help on top of an open hill. Everyone looked at each other, but no one would go to that obvious open ambush site. Being the leader I went. While kneeling on top of that open hill helping hold the dangling leg of the wounded man I looked over to see the NVA looking right back at me just 50 yards away. I knew I was dead, but they just looked and let us live. As soon as we carried the wounded man back, the entire firefight started again. The men were again amazed at this luck.

Two additional Lt's were shot trying to take this hill, and then the Colonel tells me it's my turn. Taking this hill requires an attack right out in the open. The only change I make is to use Ranger tactics of firing like crazy, and yelling, to make your enemy think they're gonna die. We take the hill without one man wounded. Later that night I move out to ambush what I know is coming back for revenge. We get em all. I still have the souvenirs and their family photos.

The very next day we get surrounded in an old enemy base camp. We all know it's the end when nightfall comes. I pass the word for everyone to use Ranger tactics of never firing at night, just throw grenades. Don't let em see you at anytime. We say our goodbyes and watch night fall. They attack all night long with some bugle they keep blowing. In the morning I check and find not one man even wounded. Two days later, after a long day, I have to do the evening scout for an alternate position. The men want to mutiny,
because my being the only Lt means they always have to do this. I tell em they're right, but being an officer I have to go and will welcome the help from anyone who will join me. Scared stiff I head out into the jungle alone, only to hear my radio operator say "if one zero goes I go", followed by the entire unit. Hours later our position is under heavy artillery attack from
over in Laos. We take numerous wounded, but are not allowed to fire back into Laos. Knowing it will be suicide to stay there, I lead the unit to the alternate position I scouted earlier when they didn't want to go. We sit there all night listening to the bombardment of our old location. Every man knows they would be dead if they hadn't followed me earlier to scout out an alternate site.

A couple of days later I land in a 1 ship landing zone right in the face of the enemy. I report it's hot and that tells command to leave us there. We
make all sorts of noise, fire like hell, throw every grenade we have, and with gunship support the NVA run off. The rest of the unit arrives and we have a terrific fight. The next day I receive word that I will need to be flown out in a chopper to the rear(my mother was very ill, but lived).
Instead of me leading the way as usual the CO tells a new replacement Lt to lead his unit to the pickup site, because I probably have a lot on my mind.
They step on a mine and the Lt is killed. The men know I would have been leading them down that same trail, except for the change.

Although I knew it wasn't true, they all consider me as having some special luck as their Lieutenant. The others come and go within 2 weeks. I not only lived, but they lived too. I knew it was just basic luck that would run out soon, and I was really scared almost all of the time, but to them I had a special touch that kept them alive. Believing in that, they followed me anywhere, but I was very careful not to exploit that advantage. I never ever risked a man without having taken all the precautions I could, and I always walked up front to be with them and be their leader.

As a side note, two weeks after I left the unit 6 men were killed in one night by firing a machine gun. The men later told me that it would never
have happened, because when I was there I always insisted "fight like Rangers, don't ever fire a weapon in the jungle at night".


Anytime I think I'm having a "bad day"...I just read Bobs email. {S} Bob!

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2003, 08:10:58 AM »
Amazing story!

Bob and thanks Rip for sharing that one.

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2003, 08:11:04 AM »
Heater you would be hard pressed to find any american who reached the rank of junior nco or higher in active duty combat arms unit during the last 15 years who didn't serve in combat .

You have to consider that america has been at war more or less for sixty years .
« Last Edit: February 17, 2003, 08:19:24 AM by Suave »

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2003, 08:14:55 AM »
Beirut: 82,83,85,86......84 I had to catch my breath.
Grenada: 83
Gulf:90-91

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2003, 08:15:55 AM »
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Beirut: 82,83,85,86......84 I had to catch my breath.
Grenada: 83
Gulf:90-91


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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2003, 09:10:49 AM »
I have never served in the armed forces (was too tall for airforce training so passed on my offer to go to Royal Miltary College). However I have been unlucky enough to have see some interesting times.

I was in South Africa during the 1988 mine strike. My mine did not get hit with a strike but when I was there I was visiting another mine that did go on strike. We had to drive through the crowd to get out and it was pretty scary. The mine had privite security (ex Rhodesian army with some former Selous Scouts) who were nearby in a helicopter fully armed if things got violent. I think the manoevers they held the previous couple of weeks put a damper on any thoughts of violence the strikers had. I met them in the mine club a few days later and bought them a round. Nice guys. Really bad ass. Most had spent the previous decade jungle fighting pretty much non stop. Then had to leave Rhodesia when it fell around 1980 and had gone straight into the South African Army. Then they were retired from that and were working for the mines.

If you ever want to read some interesting stories research the Selous Scouts.

There was some deadly violence at many other mines though.

I was also unlucky enough to land in Jakarta a couple of days before President Suharto resigned in 99 I believe (not sure on the year). I had the pleasure of watching most of Glodok burn down (the chinese merchant area)  from my hotel room. I was caught in a taxi by protestors but they looked in and saw I was a white guy and cleared the road so we could get by. I had tried to get to the airport to leave but gave up and stayed for the whole two weeks that the crisis took to play out. Most of Jakarta was trashed when it was all over. The army deployed the next day and luckily were using the road below my Hotel for a security area. Therefore I was quite safe.

Hundreds died in fires and riots. It was very scary.

I also was in Nigeria during some unrest in 1993. It was a scary time as well although the Nigerian Army kept things under control. At one point the Army and the Police were fighting each other. It seems an Army officer had driven though and Police check point and was killed. The Army went out the next day hunting Police and all the check points disappeared. That was the one good result of that incident. For the first time in years you could drive around Nigeria without getting hasseled constantly by police at their road blocks.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2003, 09:18:36 AM »
Jesus H, Monk...tell us some stories! please huh huh please?

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2003, 09:51:14 AM »
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Thank you, Sir.

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2003, 09:51:50 AM »
define 'combat situation'.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2003, 09:54:01 AM »
does exchanging fire with drug runners count?
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2003, 10:01:17 AM »
does exchanging fire with fellow drug dealers count?
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2003, 10:07:57 AM »
Combat defined the thread...otherwise I would have related my "had a gun pulled on me 4 times, and fired at me 2 times".

You would *think* I'd be anti-gun after that many times. :D

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2003, 10:42:12 AM »
hehe lasz

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2003, 11:23:06 AM »
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