My True Feelings.....by Rude

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err if the americans feel threataned by the current leader of iraq why not just send in an elite squad of snipers remove saddam and send in a new person...of course you can rant at me all you want this is the only thing im posting on this subject EVER...

[Rude]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Are you sure? Are you sure YOUR goverment is serving YOUR interests?

I know more than one western country where a goverment like yours would ignite serious and masive revolts.

Am I sure? Ask me in 4 weeks.

As to you knowing about other western governments, you don't know jack about ours....it's not perfect, but it's OURS. It does ultimately serve US CITIZENS, not those overseas who criticize it.
When we criticize it, it's because we have that RIGHT as American citizens to criticize it.

Just sit back and get over it....your opinion is without salt.

[icemaw]

Originally posted by AKIron
And what makes you think he hasn't? Afghanistan is a far better place to live today than a couple of years ago. Care to deny this?

 Afghanistan in only a better place for thoe's of you who dont like their women treated like they are lower than dog toejam. Where the lengh of your beard determained whether or not you stayed out of jail. Thoes of us who like filling soccer stadiums with massive crouds to watch women being executed we are really pissed off about the changes in afghanistan. Damn it I want opression I want to be able to beat my women with out explaining to the cops why. I want to destroy all the kite's on the planet because they are evil. And one damn thing no more flippin signing or we gonna shoot someone. If you have any thousand year old monuments blown up give us a call.

 Ya iraq is a real nice place too you can kill whoever you want whenever you want and allmost no one gets in your way. You have some chemical weapons you want to try there is a town down the road no one will mind if we kill all the men women and
children there. If there is a country near by you want invaded we can do it. We have a group of people up north we want to kill but the damn american satan is in the way and wont let us.

  The next time you find your bellybutton in the fire dont call us clean up your own crap.

  If we dont clean up this little pile of crap now there is gonna be a giant pile of it later and its gonna be on everyone shoes. You can protest all you want make your signs chant your america is evil chant. But you will not be able to save your children YOUR children from the fate that will come to them.  When your standing in line at the death camp waiting your turn on the pyre.

 Ask yourself this what price would I pay what would I give up for just one chance to go back and change what happend.
 
 Instead of toteing around your I hate america sign maybe you might want to change it to Iraqi people unite oust sadam before its too late. A  free and strong Iraq might be the corner stone of a middle east that does not flame out the entire planet with its political racial and religious opression.

 Give peace a chance yes lets. But make sure you cut the head off the snake first.

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by Rude
As to you knowing about other western governments, you don't know jack about ours....it's not perfect, but it's OURS. It does ultimately serve US CITIZENS, not those overseas who criticize it.

Been living in Texas for several months, I know a bit about your goverment.

On the other hand, the general feeling here is just americans critizing overseas goverments just cause they dont support US foering policy.

[Hangtime]

"My True feelings, By Rude"



"....anybody got a match??"

[RRAM]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE


On the other hand, the general feeling here is just americans critizing overseas goverments just cause they dont support US foering policy.

Mixed by the fact that G.W. Bush is plainly lying in his reasons to attack Irak. The reason is OIL, not FREEDOM.

Also there's a little debate here about the rightneousness of attacking a nation because it is a dictatorship. What prevents Bush attacking yet another 3rd world nation on the grounds that "it is a dictatorship"?.

We're establishing a serious precedent here. There's something called "international laws", laws that say that no nation is allowed to violate other nation's sovereignty (sp?) unless attacked first.


On the rethorical about "it's all about self-defence", well, Basically what you're doing is validating Japan's attitude in 7/12/41, doing a "preventive attack" on the grounds that America was then seen by Japan as a threat. So they attacked first, much for your dismay and anger.

 Now Bush says he see irak as a threat...so he attacks first. That kind of war Bush wants to start it's simply called "Agression war", thing that I always have thought to be established as illegal in Nuremberg trials in 1946.


And the reason, again, is no "freedom for iraqis". Is no "self defence".
That's simply "massive-scale robbery of natural resources of other nation using any excuse at hand".



Finally, Rude, if you don't care what the rest of the world say, then I'd ask you and your fellow countrymans to stop being angry at what the rest of the world thinks of your nation. You say euros trash you, you say the rest of the world don't like you. I've read dozens of times in this forums that that's unfair. I used to agree...

But, well , things like this do show WHY most of the world don't like your nation.

 What is myself, I've always thought in positive about USA. I cried in 9/11, and I've always felt the deepest of the sympaties for your people. But if Irak is invaded without a proper UN resolution allowing for it, that will also change. I know you don't mind, but it's simply to illustrate that you're losing any sympathy left for your nation in the rest of the world.


 What you'r nation and president want to do is basically invade a nation to seize their resources for YOUR benefit. Don't say euros trash you because we're jeallous (lol)...euros trash you because we see that such a policy can't be allowed. (Well, France trash you because they don't want to lose their share of Irak's oil, but I'm talking about the average man here, not about the governments.


Want to live alone in your nation?. Nice...but then stop pretending the rest of the world must like you. As simple as that.

[RRAM]

BTW

Originally posted by Rude
and that I can respect....if it were true....they will do what will most likely get them re-elected.

Here in spain Jose Maria Aznar is backing USA's stance in the Security Council of the UN,and offering plenty of logistical and political help to the US so you can attack irak as soon as possible.

90% of Spanish people condemn that attitude.


There are more proofs that politics do what THEY want to do, regardless of what their people tell them to do, but none as clear as this one.

In any case you are talking about governments, I'm talking about people, normal people. Governments can be forced or bribed,black mailed or even threatened to support you. Is exactly what you're doing now, turning down trade agreements with Germany because they chose to speak against an agression war. I won't get started on the NK food embargo, because that's so subhuman that I don't want to get on fire.

That's called "chantage", you've used it a lot of times in the past, you're using it once again. Feel free to feel warm feels about your govenrment and Bush. But don't ask any of us to do it too.


In the end, governments can be FORCED to back your political views, But the individual can't be manipulated this way. It will be a long process, but someday you'll find you're alone in the world because noone else wants to hear from you.

 I know America has loved isolationism in the past, but we will reach a point where that isolationism will stop being an option taken by YOU, but being a fact forced by THE REST OF THE WORLD.

[Nash]

"My True feelings, By Rude"



"....anybody got a match??"


Looks like a (typical) dud to me. 99% of Rude's posts say he isn't listening to anyone but Americans, in one form or another... (ok Rude, gotcha, again, thanks.) I on the other hand find it fascinating to hear perspectives from people from Hong Kong to Finland to Moscow. Rude sounds like he needs to either cover his precious little ears or start his own isolationist BBS.

It's ironic, as this entire issue is international in scope and effects many many countries in the world, of which the US is but one. It's doubly ironic that Rude's "screw you" position is what's maddening the world in the very 1st place. Must be a Texas thing.

[Hangtime]

I wonder if there will come a day when we become tired of being America and Americans. I'm sorely troubled by seeing again american kids marching off to fight in a world at large where they are despised alive, dehumanized when dead and villified when they stay at home.

I don't need to lay out here the bitter miserable places Americans have been dying for our causes, despite or in concert with forigen opinion for the last 100 years.

And yah know somethin?? Americas borders remain unchanged, her childern come home, and despite all of mans previous history to the contrary, we let the world try again... we go home.

And the next generation prepares for it's duty.

You and the world peanut gallery sit in your homes, surrounded by the blessings of america; and you spit upon her.

We don't care.

What we do, we do for us.

At the end of the day, we do not give a rats bellybutton what the world thinks of us.. yes, we sneer and point at Normandy, or Berlin or London and shake our heads and say "Lest you forget.."

And you do.

We never learn that lesson. Arn't you guys lucky.

And we will continue to go on, each generation, after the last, doing what we will do, despite your world and your incensed rehtoric of 'cowboys, gangsters and uncultured cretins'  

We go forth for reasons you cannot behold, for causes you will revile, for dreams you do not share.

Because we do it for America. Because we ARE Americans. We will continue on, tipping at the windmills our national psyche deems the current 'American Task'.

So, wail; weep, worry..

Rest assured, we're gonna do it any damn way.

Again.

God Bless and Keep America.

I know America has loved isolationism in the past, but we will reach a point where that isolationism will stop being an option taken by YOU, but being a fact forced by THE REST OF THE WORLD.

When that happens, you may rest at last, Ram... for there will be no America with Americans in it.

[Puke]

RRAM,

Mixed by the fact that G.W. Bush is plainly lying in his reasons to attack Irak. The reason is OIL, not FREEDOM.

I see you are one of the many who are easily brainwashed.  If you think about your statement, it makes no sense.  We do not currently have any oil shortage, no gasoline lines, and gasoline prices are not much different than for a gallon of water.  OPEC controls the levels of exports and thus pricing and there really is no shortage.  Just how is the invasion of Iraq going to bring the USA more oil?  Please explain.

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by Rude
Like we're down there ruling your world....last time I was in Australia, I was spending my money. Nice try.

You like Saddam so much, pack up your bags and head to Bagdad instead of throwin stones at your friends.

Funny, i thought friends could be honest with each other. But you don't want freinds like that - you want people just to accept what you want like your opening tirade.

I somehow think you wouldn't have been talking garbage like that whilst you were here, or you would most likely have been told to pull your head outa your arse.

 Tronsky

[Rude]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Been living in Texas for several months, I know a bit about your goverment.

On the other hand, the general feeling here is just americans critizing overseas goverments just cause they dont support US foering policy.

Several months in Texas? Yep...your qualified to know our country and it's government....make ya a deal....take your socialist, one world government, Bush bashing opinions into a Texas dance hall and you'll walk outta there wearin your arse for a hat.

As to your appraisal of the overall consensus regarding Americans criticizing overseas governments because they don't support US foriegn policy? Get a clue....why should we feel any different? We're Americans, not socialists....we don't care about how YOU feel we should live and act....sheesh.

Another thing....if you don't like what we believe in or how we conduct ourselves on the worlds stage, then get you rear end back to Spain....or can't you educate or employ yourself back home? Just curious.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Nash
"My True feelings, By Rude"



"....anybody got a match??"


Looks like a (typical) dud to me. 99% of Rude's posts say he isn't listening to anyone but Americans, in one form or another... (ok Rude, gotcha, again, thanks.) I on the other hand find it fascinating to hear perspectives from people from Hong Kong to Finland to Moscow. Rude sounds like he needs to either cover his precious little ears or start his own isolationist BBS.

It's ironic, as this entire issue is international in scope and effects many many countries in the world, of which the US is but one. It's doubly ironic that Rude's "screw you" position is what's maddening the world in the very 1st place. Must be a Texas thing.

Ram said he shed tears on 9-11.....we don't need his tears or anyone elses....we need his support. Looks like any effort past grabbin a kleenex isn't going to happen...oh, unless it's to post here how bad we are or what mistakes we're making.

As to you Nash.....I'm done with trying to debate or have any meaningful conversation regarding this topic....I'm sick and tired of socialists telling us how we should live and how our government should govern....who do you folks think you are? If ya don't like it, well, that's too bad isn't it.

As to covering my ears? If you think this is the first time I've heard folks speak of things they have no clue about, then you're kidding youself. I suppose you have the answers eh?

Get some stones then and seriously, tell us all how the US should behave and how that will solve the issue in Iraq. Tell us what we're doing wrong and how bad we are....or maybe bashin our president is your thing?

What's you bag dad? Tell us how to live so you'll like us again.

[Rude]

Originally posted by -tronski-
Funny, i thought friends could be honest with each other. But you don't want freinds like that - you want people just to accept what you want like your opening tirade.

I somehow think you wouldn't have been talking garbage like that whilst you were here, or you would most likely have been told to pull your head outa your arse.

 Tronsky

Trust me...there isn't a word I typed on this board that I wouldn't say to your face.....as to being honest? I am being honest....you just don't like it is all. You spoke your mind, I spoke mine.

Now, why don't you give me an accounting of just how bad ol America has wronged the Aussies....seriously.....what have we done to you and yours? I'de like an answer to that please.