Author Topic: My True Feelings.....by Rude (Read 3230 times)

Rude · « **Reply #60 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:02:11 AM »

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Originally posted by blitz
It's called Globalism, since when ya don't like that?

Regards Blitz

America is threathened by Iraq in no way , it's just plain rediculous

Globalism is your bag dad....not mine. I'm in favor of helping our allies any way we can....I just define em differently...kinda like those who stand with us instead of tuckin tail when it becomes uncomfortable. Some of you want your cake and eat it as well.

One world government is euro think....we're Americans and proud of it.

Did you hear Chirac yesterday? And you folks call the US arrogant.

Rude · « **Reply #61 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:06:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hmmm... I think that you'll find democracy is not generally consistent with Islamic faith. AFAIK, there is one arab democratic government and they aren't really a country... Palestine.

That statement don't hold water....

1....the democracy in Palestine is a show only...not the real deal.

2....You forgot Turkey

Rude · « **Reply #62 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:13:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Well Hangtime. Canadians were in normandy and London and Hong kong and Italy and Siclely and Korea and Kuwait and Afganistan.

We opted out of your little piece of stupidity in Vietnam and people like yourself probebly thought we were disloyal to the old US of A for doing so.
Well I think we should opt out of your little piece of aggression in Iraq too. And enough Canadians have died that you have forgotten about that I dont feel bad saying your a self centered self serving self agrandizing bunch of idiots sometimes.
And this is one of those times.

All your going to do is go kill a bunch of people that mean you no harm for a cause you dont in your heart of hearts believe in. But fill your boots. All I see is a bunch of US whining about lack of support.
I think most if it comes from a need to feel suported and reasured that the violence your goverment is about to let loose is in keeping with your "ideals". It is not. You are going to kill a few 100 thousand Iraqis to save them from their horrible leader.
Who will relieve you of yours when the folly he is dragging the world into is revealed?
He wont get burned alive in a gas fire. He will get his presidential library and a bunch of book deals.

Pongo....

There is no way on God's green earth that we will kill several hundred thousand people. Who sold you that bill of goods?

You watch.....we'll roll in and wait outside of Bagdad....they will give us the country. And if I'm wrong, I'll be the first one here to admit it.

As to Toad's approach, I would agree with him with one exception...it's time to do whats right...bad folks have hurt enough innocent people....if I thought for a moment that the UN would act instead of just posture, then pullin away from conflict would be just fine with me.

Bush is doing what Toad suggested....we'll finish what we've started, but in the future I'm afraid you guys will have to blame us for something else....bad beer maybe?

blitz · « **Reply #63 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:14:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude
Globalism is your bag dad....not mine. I'm in favor of helping our allies any way we can....I just define em differently...kinda like those who stand with us instead of tuckin tail when it becomes uncomfortable. Some of you want your cake and eat it as well.

One world government is euro think....we're Americans and proud of it.

Did you hear Chirac yesterday? And you folks call the US arrogant.

Not sure if it's euro think, but we like it because the worlds problems will nothing but grow if every nation only looks for it's own interests.

Uited Nations must become much more strong to be able to solve problems, no doubt that will take decades but it's the only way i can see other than soft dictatorship as announced by Bush with his Holy War.

Veto right has to be fall for winners of WW2.

IMHO

Regards Blitz

btw No1 said Europe can't be arrogant too if it's thrown on us

America is threathened by Iraq in no way , it's just plain rediculous

Dowding · « **Reply #64 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:17:56 AM »

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....the democracy in Palestine is a show only...not the real deal.

Aaah... so not all Palestinians are suicide bombing heathens? In fact, if you're saying it's not a democracy, and there is no majority power, those in the government advocating suicide bombing are in the minority and do not represent the general populace.

You'd better tell Hortlund that. He's got them all down as anti-Christs.

Rude · « **Reply #65 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:20:34 AM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
When did I say America had wronged Australia?

You're the one who got mightly defensive (remember the friends who throw stones?) because you didn't like what I said.

Tronsky

Looks like you and I define friendship differently....among my peers it goes like this....we stand up for one another...always!

And if we disagree, we air it out in private and not in front of others....especially those who would wish us harm.

Like I said earlier....I'm done yappin about it...think what ya want to think....the US and it's policies are not the enemy here....bad things are going to happen in the future and we'll do what we can to stop it....with or without your help.

SLO · « **Reply #66 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:26:16 AM »

the problem rude is that .....not every nation will help you in your wars....like it or not.....you seem NOT to like it...so you bash other nations.

do I want Saddam out...you bet your bellybutton I do.

do I want to help the US do it....you bet your bellybutton i do....BUT after 4 of my countrymen died from a MISTAKE(pilot on drugs)....makes me go Hmm.....do i really want 2....the worst part is your makin Saddam out to be the worst of the lot.....WRONG!!!!

try korea....the said they are goin 2...and already have the possibility of nukes...with the missile to reach ya'z....yet you refer that problem to the UN(big mistake in my view)

you'll never change the fact that others view your country as arrogant...materialistic...se lf-centered nation.

in your 1st post you confirm that again...we are the biggest and the best so diddly the rest.....blablabla away if ya want..it won't change the general attitude of your countrymen or how others view your country....just look at your prez....

Its like the magic bullet theory....your gov. is tryin to make others swallow a stupid theory(about Saddam)

but again I say he has to go....what I sayin is your doin it the WRONG way!!!

Rude · « **Reply #67 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:29:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Aaah... so not all Palestinians are suicide bombing heathens? In fact, if you're saying it's not a democracy, and there is no majority power, those in the government advocating suicide bombing are in the minority and do not represent the general populace.

You'd better tell Hortlund that. He's got them all down as anti-Christs.

The Palestinian people are no different than us....they want a life for themselves and their families....their leaders have taught them to hate for generations, in effect, stealing away their chance for a good life....just plain sold out.

There is a cancer of evil at work in this world...the sooner folks realize that, the sooner we can do something about it...together.
It's not about agreeing on every topic and turning away from who we are as nations...it's about putting aside our disagreements and fighting a common foe....that will bring about choice and freedom for the world....not appeasment, politics or spineless inaction.

Hortlund · « **Reply #68 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:31:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding

You'd better tell Hortlund that.

Yes, because Rude's word is my law.

Yeager · « **Reply #69 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:33:06 AM »

This is what Im seeing:

France and Germany are increasing the chances for a devastating war in Iraq by dividing european unity that needs to be coupled with American military might in a show of force designed to compell the Iraqi leader to flee or force a largely bloodless internal coup.

Unfortunately Hussein will no doubt read the Franco/German stance as an aliance in favour of his continued rule. The consequences could very well indeed be the up until recently uneccessary forcing of the military option. The result which will be the death of thosands, perhaps hundreds of thosuands. perhaps the trigger to a far greater cataostrophe.

blitz · « **Reply #70 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:40:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude
Pongo....

There is no way on God's green earth that we will kill several hundred thousand people. Who sold you that bill of goods?

Don't think it will be 100thousands of Iraqies, maybe a few thousand innocent people and their military personal of cause. American causualities ? At most a few hundred if at all that many.
But what's the difference then ?

It's an preventive strike for absolutely no good reason.

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As to Toad's approach, I would agree with him with one exception...it's time to do whats right...bad folks have hurt enough innocent people....if I thought for a moment that the UN would act instead of just posture, then pullin away from conflict would be just fine with me.[/B]

It wasn't Saddam and his republican brigades that hit WTC, that's the point.

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Bush is doing what Toad suggested....we'll finish what we've started, but in the future I'm afraid you guys will have to blame us for something else....bad beer maybe? [/B]

You'll finish what ya have started, that's the most important sentence for me.

Paul Wolfowitz, vize defence mimister at that time, showed a list of 60 nations to Joschka Fischer shortly after WTC assault.
America will get every one on that List 1 by 1 , he announced.
That is exactly what is scaring many people around the world.
Bush's idea of a Holy Crusade around the world.

Regards Blitz

America is threathened by Iraq in no way , it's just plain rediculous

RRAM · « **Reply #71 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:40:55 AM »

Toad.

About the US food embargo to North Korea.

Its true that US' president said that he intented to go on with food donations, but several newspapers here in Spain published just yesterday that USA has cut them to force North Korea to change their policy and stance regarding nuclear power and development.

This is from yesterday's newpspapers ,as I said. Sadly I don't have them anymore to quote them, but it's a fresh new. Maybe is wrong (media in Spain is not better than in USA), but that was what was published.

Rude · « **Reply #72 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:43:34 AM »

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Originally posted by SLO
the problem rude is that .....not every nation will help you in your wars....like it or not.....you seem NOT to like it...so you bash other nations.

do I want Saddam out...you bet your bellybutton I do.

do I want to help the US do it....you bet your bellybutton i do....BUT after 4 of my countrymen died from a MISTAKE(pilot on drugs)....makes me go Hmm.....do i really want 2....the worst part is your makin Saddam out to be the worst of the lot.....WRONG!!!!

try korea....the said they are goin 2...and already have the possibility of nukes...with the missile to reach ya'z....yet you refer that problem to the UN(big mistake in my view)

you'll never change the fact that others view your country as arrogant...materialistic...se lf-centered nation.

in your 1st post you confirm that again...we are the biggest and the best so diddly the rest.....blablabla away if ya want..it won't change the general attitude of your countrymen or how others view your country....just look at your prez....

Its like the magic bullet theory....your gov. is tryin to make others swallow a stupid theory(about Saddam)

but again I say he has to go....what I sayin is your doin it the WRONG way!!!

It's not about gettin anyone to help us....it's about how others are actively standing in our way...if ya don't want to help then say so, then get outta the way....we don't have the friends we diplomatically court...they are convenient at best and that's a two way street.

We're arrogant? Why is that? We act when others need help....we answer the call....we are a free thinking people who have come along way nationally in a very short period of time....we have not accomplished what we have by being timid.

The issue is with other nations....instead of gettin off their butts and striving to make their own lives better, they would rather suck our hind titty or blame us because it's easy.

Again, you don't get it man....we do not give the rest of the world a thought as we live our daily lives...we're too busy trying to take care of our business....on 9-11, our agenda changed....others across this planet have now become our business.

It's like some of you think we laugh in your faces or look down on you in some way....our culture is what it is....it's not personal unless your European....they want the wealth and power to be shared....yeah right. If Chile were a super power, they'de criticize them....it's not about the US but rather about envy...not cultural, but economic. Euros are pissed because they percieve themselves to be the footstool of America....that's not how we view Europe as a people...it's just what you've been fed for 50 years.

AKIron · « **Reply #73 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:46:34 AM »

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Originally posted by SLO
you'll never change the fact that others view your country as arrogant...materialistic...se lf-centered nation.

I'll bet we could change that perception real quick if we pulled up stakes and went home, including keeping the billions for ourselves that Americans, notice I said Americans, not the US, not the US government, contribute every year to help those around the world in need.

Well, the perception might still be there but the rhetoric would certainly change. Where the hell would you be if we decided to end all trade with you country? A bit worse off than we'd be I'd bet.

Rude · « **Reply #74 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:54:58 AM »

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Originally posted by blitz
Don't think it will be 100thousands of Iraqies, maybe a few thousand innocent people and their military personal of cause. American causualities ? At most a few hundred if at all that many.
But what's the difference then ?

It's an preventive strike for absolutely no good reason.

It wasn't Saddam and his republican brigades that hit WTC, that's the point.

You'll finish what ya have started, that's the most important sentence for me.

Paul Wolfowitz, vize defence mimister at that time, showed a list of 60 nations to Joschka Fischer shortly after WTC assault.
America will get every one on that List 1 by 1 , he announced.
That is exactly what is scaring many people around the world.
Bush's idea of a Holy Crusade around the world.

Regards Blitz

America is threathened by Iraq in no way , it's just plain rediculous

Well Mr. Blitz.....you may condone the killing and terrorizing of German citizens, but in the US, we aren't going to live like that.

You said it best....folks around the world are scared....we're just pissed.

What about the cook book of bio and chem weapons that the french found when arresting suspected Al Queda terrorist....it came from Iraq....that's news not many want to hear.

Poor old Saddam....just a great guy who has learned to play the UN like a cheap fiddle...Aziz said it best in a news conference...."The UN should be careful as to who they support....the muslim populations in your own countries may not like it". Just another form of terrorism.

Maybe you guys just want to see more Americans die....would that make ya happy? And when it happens, you'll blame us for rockin the boat and say it was our fault. Too predictable.