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Offline Andy Bush

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« on: June 13, 2000, 06:32:00 PM »
Tomorrow SimHQ will post Part Three to their BnZ series...this part discusses the 'hit and climb' type of BnZ tactic.

The article includes a section specific to AH and has a series of screenshots that show how to use snap views to fly this maneuver.

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2000, 07:09:00 PM »
Andy,

 I tought myself how to BnZ over a period of about 4 yrs.  I just wanted to tell you how great your article on BnZ is.  One of my weaknesses has always been disengaging. Well not anymore since I read your article.  The part about chosing your egress point before you make your attack, and how to plan it, has realy helped me alot since I read the piece.

 Great article! I can't wait for part 3  

Udie

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2000, 08:22:00 PM »
Andy,

I have tuned in late.  Could you please re-post the URL for SimHQ?

Thanks!

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2000, 08:58:00 PM »
Attaboy Udie...spank those bandits and make 'em cry!!

Buhdman

Check tomorrow's mail at www.simhq.com.  The article will be posted in the Air Combat Corner along with parts one and two.


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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2000, 11:25:00 PM »
Hi Andy! Good to see you in here. I've read almost every article you have posted since the  714 Gregory Pierson's site  MSG Board (ATF MOd gotta love it) to Sim HQ  , the most interesting stuff I've ever read and helpful.

Just a side note you might remember me as the guy who asked you a bnch of questions about what is needed to become a pilot ,for a school assingment, and now  I'm headed in that direction hopefully  getting a combat pilot slot in the USAF( it was reassuring knowing that for the most of your military career  you used glsses :-) and were able to fly fighters ).

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2000, 12:10:00 AM »
Glasses

That's great news...best of luck and hope you get something shiny and fast!!

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2000, 03:27:00 AM »
If you get to fly fancy fighters, you gotta take up everyone in the AH community for a free ride  

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2000, 03:53:00 AM »
LOL ! ...god forbid...
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2000, 06:51:00 AM »
Udie,

You shoulda read Twisted's Fw 190A-8 writing for AW over 5 years ago. Woulda saved you a lot of time!


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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2000, 02:19:00 PM »
 Not to pee on the cheerio,s. That was a very elegent discreption. However, It was next to useless in AH. You dont fight one guy in AH. You fight him and his wingman if your lucky. Him and his squad if your not. You have to plan your attack to enter the kill zone of 2 or 3 planes. Make you kill and have a plan to get the hell out. This is a whole different matter. I wind up in the top 10 most of the time. (last month, flying under the name slate. I was 7th or 8th) in spite of not being in a squad and flying alone most of the time. If I followed these rules it would be one kill and die over and over.

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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2000, 05:36:00 PM »
 Andy,

 Very nice 3rd part    There's only 1 small thing I disagree with.  That would be the functionality of the up view (5 key).  I find that view VERY useful. Directly in the middle of the screen, in that view, is the lift vector.  Here's how I keep my orientation.  Move a bandit to the bottom of the screen and he's moving towards my nose (good).  Move a bandit to the top of the screen and he's moving towards my 6 (bad)

  Hope that helps you out.........

 Easymo,

 I eat capt' crunch   so you didn't pee in my cherios, BUT  I don't agree with your statement.  It holds true alot of the time, but I get in MANY 1v1 fights.  I usualy work the edges of a furball, to keep my speed up.  This is where you can fight alot of good 1v1 fights.  Therefore I think his article should be required reading for this or any sim.  

 Anyway it would be good to know for that time when you may need to know it    and I think alot of what's in there will transfer over to diferent kinds of fighting styles.

and, do you want to fight about it?   j/k

udie

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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2000, 07:20:00 PM »
Great article.

Udie, sounds like you and Berserker are trying to use 'Welded Wing' tactics. It's been my experience that Welded Wing does not work at all in our virtual environment. The wing can't really protect his leader, and as you point out, it usually gets the wing killed.

I teach my pilots a lot of 'Double Attack' and 'Loose Deuce' combat tactics, with an average combat spacing of about 1000 yards.

PS - I spend about half my time in a fight looking out through the top of my canopy.

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2000, 09:20:00 PM »
 Thats not an up view. Thats the "blind zone" ROTFL

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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2000, 11:14:00 PM »
Vadr,

 It's realy just at the begining of co-e or higher multi-con fights.  Once the fight gets going we "liquify"   into what ever form the fight dictates.  Weaves, Lufburey's and such.  Although alot of times he's just sitting back there about 1000 yrds and covering my arse when I get myself in trouble.  Thnx sifter!  

Udie

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2000, 07:04:00 AM »
Good and valid comments, guys.

Just to clarify matters...this was not an article on how to fly BFM so much as it was an attempt to describe one form of a BnZ using snap views.

The #5 view is definitely the view for lift vector control...what I was trying to explain about the HnC is that it is a maneuver where your lift vector is not on the bandit for much of the maneuver.

That, of course, is true of all BFM. One of the generally accepted truisms is that the only time your lift vector is on the bandit is just prior to the trigger pull. This statement refers to the importance of out-of-plane maneuvering...and, indirectly, to the significance of not flying in-plane with the bandit, in other words with the bandit at the top of your canopy.

The number one weakness in all of our sims has been in the way they provide a visual display of how to fly out-of-plane maneuvers. In this regard, the snap view has always been the least effective. The most effective is the external view, but too many of us believe that view to somehow be too 'unrealistic'. Padlock lies somewhere in the middle.

As for the folks that are so eager to tell us of their many kills, I only want to remind them that pilots don't win fights so much as others lose them...for whatever reason. So the guy with the 8:1 ratio has put eight other fellow pilots on the losing end. Perhaps our ace ought to help the rest of us out. I'd like to see something written that explains how these experts get this 'good'. I don't want to hear 'what' so much as 'how'.

Maybe they can help us out here...spread the wealth...you know what I mean.

If they can pick themselves off the floor.

Andy