Set up for 21 Feb: Marching to the Rhine

[Karnak]

No perked Spitfire Mk XIV?

Some day I want to use that aircraft when it isn't just fighting Me262s and Ta152s.

I don't know where the idea that it is a mid-1945 fighter came from, but for Spit XIV fans it is frusterating.  It was in service long, long before the Fw190D-9, and was built in greater numbers.

Put it at one base, perk it at 5 or 10 and wipe our fighter perks to 0. It is already crippled by it's type specific icon in a way it was not in reality.  But the thing was in theatre and was being used heavily.

[Squire]

So was the Tempest.

[GRUNHERZ]

There should be a tempest and spit14 here as low perks.. Put in a perk 262 as well to counter the tempest.

[Sakai]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There should be a tempest and spit14 here as low perks.. Put in a perk 262 as well to counter the tempest.

The Ta152 won't hang with the Tempest considering all their attributes in the aggregate?  (I don't fly either one).

Sakai

[GRUNHERZ]

No way the Tempest is much fater ans climbs much better at low alts.  Plus it seems our Ta152H is wierd because it models the extra 1000 lbs of the H-1 model but seems to have only the performance of an H-0.

[Kweassa]

I say free Spit14s.

[thrila]

d9, g10 and the ta152 but no spit XIV? lol!  

EDIT:

I don't know why you guys don't call this the anti-spit arena.  

[Karnak]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There should be a tempest and spit14 here as low perks.. Put in a perk 262 as well to counter the tempest.

The only problem with this GRUNHERZ is that every time they do it they put such a low price on the 262 that the Allies are fighting nothing but 262s by the end of the second day.

That is the problem I have with all the setups that have included the Spitfire Mk XIV.  I was only fighting jets.  I wan't to use it against early, mid and late 1944 German props, the fighters it most commonly faced in reality.

Frankly, with a free Bf109G-10 and a free Fw190D-9, the Germans don't need anything to counter a Spitfire Mk XIV perked at 10 and a Tempest Mk V perked at 20.  I don't know about Bf109G-10 production totals using the engine that our Bf109G-10 uses, but I do know that the same number of Tempest Mk Vs were built as Fw190D-9 and more Spitfire Mk XIVs were built than of either of those.

[brady]

Production numbers are not revelent when diciding plane choices.

 Preformance, on all levals is.

[Shane]

Originally posted by brady
Production numbers are not revelent when diciding plane choices.

 Preformance, on all levals is.

i'd call spit14 and 109g10 a very even matchup.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Shane
i'd call spit14 and 109g10 a very even matchup.

For you honchos, it might be.  For us average players, it's a no-contest matchup.  Put the Spit 14 into this mix, and that's all you're likely to see flying on the Allied side.

- oldman (not to mention that I will be flying, yet again, for the outnumbered Axis side)

[Shane]

Originally posted by Oldman731
For you honchos, it might be.  For us average players, it's a no-contest matchup.  Put the Spit 14 into this mix, and that's all you're likely to see flying on the Allied side.
- oldman (not to mention that I will be flying, yet again, for the outnumbered Axis side)

i'd much rather see spit14's than spit9's. two totally different beasts. spit14 is like a very torquey p51d with better climb and acceleration.


plus, 1/2 the goombas wouldn;t have much of a clue as to how to fly a spit14 properly.   now tempests otoh, would be all that's seen if enabled at too low a cost. if temps are around, i'd like to see them cost about 20-30 perks to keep them manageable... maybe even higher 40-50. spit14 could be fine at 3-10 perkies.

if 262's... i'd say 50-100 perkies and limited to further rear bases.

maybe arados at 20-30 perkies.

we need something to spend CT perkies on... and i agree that perkies should be reset each time time something is enabled as a perk, even tigers.

[Nifty]

so it's ok when the Allieds have to fly against nothing but Me262s after the first day?

There are enough Mustang, Jug and Lightning fans to counter the Spitfire fans (and those that just refuse to fly anything else) to where even a light perk won't result in Spit XIV's everywhere.

Anyways, here is the Spit XIV and relevant planes to this setup that were introduced after the Spit XIV.

(Spit XIV - March 1944)
(Tempest V - May 1944)

P-38L - July 1944
P-47D-30 - October 1944

bf109G-10 - March 1944
fw190F-8 - March 1944
(Me262) -  July 1944
fw190D-9 - September 1944
Ta-152H - February 1945

Not my setup though, so this is just opinion.  Karnak, my next Snapshot I write will be Spit XIVs against something.  I promise.  

[Sabre]

The CT staff has discussed the Spit-IV issue at length, taking into consideration the views and opinions of you, the CT community.  I will enable the Spitfire Mk-XIV (instead of the Mk-IX) at the two British bases I'll be setting up in the northern sector of Allied territory.  No perks required.  I will not be enabling the Tempest.  I will re-evaluate this decision on Monday, to determine if the Mk-XIV's inclusion is detracting from overall gameplay or not.

I have to work today, and will not be able to set up the arena until approximately 2000 EST.  So get your P-40/A6M fix before than:).  As always, thank you for your feedback.

Sabre
CT Staff

[daddog]

Will perk points be reset? Only fair thing to do if you are going to use the perk system.

I hope not! Some guys fly in a day what I do in a weeks. It takes me a long time to earn my perk points.