These planes should be in AH2

[Shark88]

the Consolidated B-24 Liberator

[Shark88]

And the Northrop P-61 Black Widow

[Viper17]

the first two didnt make it into combat during the war. so no to the F7F and F8F. But BIG YES to the P-61.

[Arlo]

I sense someone new to WWII history.

 Yes ... yes ... there were some interesting planes that almost flew in the war. There were even some interesting planes that did fly in the war. Yes, the B-29 was really important in the end. And the atom bomb was a blast. But that's not what AH is about (I think). Shoot more for what offers:

1: Some balance. If HT was to model every uber-plane we had prototypes of (or even started up assembly lines for) at the end of the Pacific war ... then TOD would be AI, for the most part, on the Japanese side ... with some very bored human players on the allied side.

2: Planes that flew in the early, mid and late war. Just concentrating on the late war (or the too late for war) doesn't offer the entire "WWII experience."

3: Challenge. WWII wasn't a "cruise missle" war.

TYTYVM

[Shark88]

What about the Heinkle He 177? did this bomber fight in the war?

[Shark88]

Originally posted by Viper17
the first two didnt make it into combat during the war. so no to the F7F and F8F. But BIG YES to the P-61.

In WW II, an F7F-3 variant with a rear seat for a radar operator was effectively used in combat by the Marines in Korea as a day and two-place night fighter as well as an attack aircraft


so yes it was!!!

[Arlo]

"American F7F-3Ps flew a few operations for the US Marine Corps towards the end of WWII, but other F7F-3N machines went on to see service on night interdiction missions whilst in Korea. Their last function was as night time target designation aircraft for B-29 bombing raids."

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Tigercat.html

1: WWII and the Korean conflict were two seperate events.

2: AH doesn't need the F7F. Probably not even if AH decides to offer a Korean War arena and planeset.

3: There's plenty of planes AH does need. Try backing off from uber-prototypes and "too late for WWII" planes and look at the ones that saw plenty of action but aren't modeled. Unless, of course, you're trying to promote some sort of "what if - 1946-47" thang. If so ... good luck.

Originally posted by Shark88
In WW II, an F7F-3 variant with a rear seat for a radar operator was effectively used in combat by the Marines in Korea as a day and two-place night fighter as well as an attack aircraft


so yes it was!!!

EDITAhhh .... you've come to your senses and changed the first two to just the B-24. That ... I'll go for.  

[Esme]

ALL WW2 online  combat flight sims- yes, every single one of 'em - NEEDS a range of REPRESENTATIVE bombers for nations other than the USA.

That means planes like the following, so far as AH is concerned:
UK
Halifax (including troop transport version)
Wellington
Blenheim

Germany
Do17Z
He111H
Do217 (I prefer the E, but I'd settle for any 217!)
Ju52 transport

Italy
SM79
SM81
Cant Z1007

Russia
Pe2
SB2
TB3

Japan
G3M
G4M
Ki21

Now, that's just SOME of the bombers that played an important part in the war. I havent included seaplanes and floatplanes (which I'd like to see... H81K's, Sunderlands, Ar196, Catalina's... etc - 2-3 from each major combatant). And yes, the Liberator is an odd ommission from the US part of the AH planeset...

I havent even mentioned intruder and recce planes until just then...  as for fighters, there are plenty that deserve inclusion before any "1946" wunderplanes are even considered for POSSIBLE inclusion.


Then there's the little matter of the French air force.  It may have gone under quickly, but it was fairly numerous, and many of its planes were used by Axis forces, and some were even recaptured and used again by Free French forces late in the war.

This, boys and girls (the ladies and gentlemen won't need telling this) is a game of World War Two air combat, which means it needs to include planes that were COMMON in that conflict in order to represent WW2 reasonably well.  And believe it or not, there were mor ebombers than fighters built in WW2, for teh very good reason that bombers are offensive aircraft whilst fighters are defensive aircraft, and you don't win wars by fighting purely defensively.

Now, every plane added to AH means an increase in the size of the download and an increase in the space taken up on our hard drives. So please let's not waste space with late war fighters that either saw very limited action in small numbers or none at all...

Just my two penn'orth...

Esme

[Ack-Ack]

At the very least, the Allied bomber plane set should be further fleshed out with the B-24, B-25, A-26, Halifax, Wellington and any other Allied bomber that saw action, since bombing is going to be a major part of AH2.  It also stands to reason that the Axis countries should also have their bomber plane set added to as well.


Ack-Ack

[MrWimpy]

How about the P-39/P400?  It was used heavily by US, USSR and Free French.

[Viper17]

Everything I hear about the Tigercat is that it was a dog. And many got blown out of the sky in Korea. It never made it into combat During WW2. BTW I saw one this summer HUGE plane.

[Gorf]

Some correction for Viper about the F7F..
the F7F was not a dog... it was a HOTROD.

  It outperformed the F4U line,

 it could sustain a tighter and longer turn then any US WWII aircraft, the only one that could give it a run for its money was the F8F.

As for combat, it was in route to the pacifice front along with F8Fs, cant remeber the carrier it was on.  THe plane was deployed, it was just a few days away from making the front.  SO it did not see action but it was available along with the F8F.

As for getting blown out of the sky in Korea,, alot of props got blown out of the sky.  Even the glorified twing mustang.

THe F7F and F8F both had bad timings. THey cameout in the end and after the war, future spending on prop fighters was not seen as a good plan with the coming of the Jet Age.  Just a lot of bad luck.

[MrWimpy]

And the F2A Buffalo, we MUST have the Buffalo!!!

[2Hawks]

I think Esme is right on the money when it comes to the planes he pointed out. Especially the need for a german transport. There have been a few times when I went to take a base with a flight of JU88's and had to defile the formation with a C-47. Nothing wrong with a C-47 mind you, just looked REALLY out of place with a swarm of german planes.

a JU52 would have made it a kick prettythang set of flights.

My 2 $.02

2Hawks

[MrWimpy]

Originally posted by Shark88
What about the Heinkle He 177? did this bomber fight in the war?

According to my information, yes, it did serve in WWII.  Something like over 1,000 of all HE-177 variants were produced.