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Offline -ammo-

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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2000, 07:39:00 PM »
well i watched it--have yet to se anything like that in this sim. There is definately something fishy here.

Whether it is a bug ( my belief, but we dont know the circumstances becuase the pilot hasn't spoke up) or he has figured a way to hack in, I dont know. Definately needs looking into by the management.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2000, 07:44:00 PM »
HB--are we allowed to say the "FH" word over here?
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2000, 08:08:00 PM »
Just my 2 cents..

Now....I'm willing to give ANYONE the doubt with connections. (what your FE shows may be different than mine) I have been butting heads with both my ISP's about discos. The last 3 weeks have been the pitts!!!!

Several times I have been 2 mins out the drop zone in a Goon and discoed!!  Several times I have been within 2 mins of dropping 1,000 lb'ers on the airfield and discoed!!  

IMHO.. less than 2% of the folks could really care less about score! Please don't be too quick to judge others about being Alt-F4 dweebs.

To give a general distress about the 2% (or less) that MIGHT even think about Alt-F4 is REALLY a insult to the TRUE vast majority of the AH pilots. However, the True Alt-F4 dweebs Really needs to get a grasp on the true and faithful bonds of the world of on-line WW-2 flight sims!! (in other words...it's a game...let's have fun)  

OTOH: After watching the video....REALLY cool setup on your targers.   Hey...I learned something from watching. <S>

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2000, 08:27:00 PM »
....and this post is for #100!!!  

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2000, 08:42:00 PM »
I haven't watched the film, because I simply never accuse anyone of hacking.. even if they are. Someone else will do it for me if they are hacking, right? I mean, if he's hacking more than I will see it, so I leave it up to the other person to say so. Just to explain why I won't get involved in this particular matter. What I DID want to throw my worthless copper coins in about was that you don't necessarily have to hack the game/software in order to avoid damage or anything to that effect. You can run a TSR program that you write using any code to detect what packets are coming in to your PC. If it's a packet that carries damage information, that TSR program can throw that packet out(just like a blackhole). HTC could throw code in there to check what's loaded into memory, but who's to say that roger wilco isn't a TSR program designed to delete unwanted packets? There's many ways to ensure that a TSR isn't run, but then again, there are a few ways that you simply can't do(case in point checking to see what's loaded into memory). You can make it so it's impossible to alt-tab back to desktop to run, say, Winamp and play your MP3s while you are flying, or log onto Roger Wilco while you are in the air(unless HTC incorporates a jukebox.. RW is already OTW, then they could probably disabled alt-tab/alt-esc). Either way, HTC's code is pretty well secured as far as encryption goes(note; NOT unhackable by any means, but really well done), but there are external programs you can run designed to do such a thing as refusing damage/hit packets.
Just wanted to drop this lil' tidbit off.
(looks at ground and sees he added more fuel to the fire.. oops!) But you all needed to know that information anyway...
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2000, 08:45:00 PM »
WB had this problem too.  Sometimes the damage updates would not make it from the host to the client.  So you get wingless planes flying around because the guy's FE doesn't know he's been shot.  

One time in WB I was nearly killed in a dogfight with a... flaming chute spewing  tracer fire.  

The bug also extended to ground targets.  Sometimes the ack at a field would be bombed, but one guy's FE wouldn't get the info that the ack was down.  So everybody's saying "ack's down" but when this guy shows up he gets blasted even though nobody else sees any ack emplacements or tracer fire.

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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2000, 08:51:00 PM »
Actually hblair, your wrong, the guy was banned for cheating, some cases were lag, but some werent, they both looked the same. Funny how people bury their heads about things, trust me stuff can be hacked with anyone determined to do it.  The guy I was talking about was -busy- anyone remember him?  I thought so, but nice to here I'm full of crap once again.  

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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2000, 08:51:00 PM »
I couldn't watch the film.  Somehow it combined itself? with my film 14.  When I went to view the film I got some strange results. (MAJOR FILM BUG!!!)  My original film 14 was of the large b17 raid in the SEA back in 1.0.  Now all the b17s have been replaced with p51s and all the cons are bishops.  Not only that but all the icons have been corrupted.  I have a screenshot from the film:

edit: I removed the image and posted it in the game bugs forum.  It would slow this thread down too much.

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2000, 08:57:00 PM »
Remember guys AH uses UDP data transfer not TCP/IP.  Missed data packets are NOT resent when missed.

So lets look at it like this.  This guys has a pretty bad connex.  Zigrat shoots him.  The con's FE doesn't receive the update.  Now this data is not, repeat, not resent to the guy in the buff, so he will never know that his wings just got blown off.

Zigrat gets in range, the buff shoots at him, and Zigrats FE does receive the update.  Bang Zigrat dead.

No I'm not saying that this guys hasn't somehow hacked his system to selectively disallow packet updates. (I don't even know if that's possible)  But having seen this same thing in WB and knowing that AH uses a data protocal that doesn't resend missing data, it seems more likely that it was just a fluke of the internet.

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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2000, 09:12:00 PM »
Sharkey, you are wrong.  Damage packets are send TCP/IP.



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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2000, 09:27:00 PM »
Cheating Bug Disco not going to judge but I like spat's suggestion. Anything HT could do to insure the integrity of the model and art files would be make a lot of folks feel better.
 

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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2000, 10:35:00 PM »
Ok, I got the film to work.  I had to delete, redownload and rename in windows to view the film.

Viewing the film all I can say is WOW!  Obviously Mogura's FE did not receive damage packets.  On the other hand he was obviously still connected to the internet as he was able to shoot you down.  Judging by film only, I'd agree with you that he is cheating.  To confirm my hypothesis I looked up his score.  Mogura's score would seem to provide conclusive evidence that he does not cheat.  (Look it up for yourself.)  This leads me to conclude that more is going on here.  Somehow Mogura's FE did not receive the TCP/IP damage packet from your FE.  Now judging by the N1k you killed earlier in the fight, I'd say the problem was not your connection.  (N1k cannon sure seem powerful compared to p51 .50 cal though.   )  IMO something is happening between the server and Mogura's computer.  Obviously he was still able to send packets to the server to update his postion.  (He was manuvering after all.)  His FE was also able to send a TCP/IP damage packet to your FE.  This leads me to conclude that somewhere between your computer and Mogura's computer packet loss is occuring.  I'd recommend you run a traceroute and check for packet loss.

My $.02 say that if Mogura is cheating his scores certainly don't reflect it.  I think one of you was having some sort of strange connection issue at the time.  (I have been having repeated bad connects, along with many others, over the past few days.  Could this all be related to those solar flares?   )

 

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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2000, 10:39:00 PM »
Sharky you are wrong.

AH uses both UDP and TCP. If the UDP packets don't work it switches to TCP mode. This occurs if you are behind a firewall (like I am).

Question is does it advantage/disadvantage me? I have always seen the 'rubber bullets' thread but have never had this issue. Likewise I have been with other guys who have been unable to ping a plane yet I have been able to take them out no problems.

Could it be that my forced TCP mode ensures all my bullet packets going to the server guarantees hits are registered properly?

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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2000, 10:42:00 PM »
 
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Actually hblair, your wrong, the guy was banned for cheating, some cases were lag, but some werent, they both looked the same. Funny how people bury their heads about things, trust me stuff can be hacked with anyone determined to do it.  The guy I was talking about was -busy- anyone remember him?  I thought so, but nice to here I'm full of crap once again.  



Reread my post, I said his squad booted him and he quit the game. Didn't mention iEN booting him. don't know where ya got that  
We're not even talking about the same guy.  

How common do you think that is over in WB's?

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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2000, 11:09:00 PM »
hblair, u said that my experiences were lag, I said that you were wrong, thats it.  I have no clue who you are talking about.  My point is what happened is not just lag.  Remember a whole russian squad seemed to be doing fishy stuff, oddly enough they fly FH now.  I wasnt talking about your guy but mine, we werent even on the same page  

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