Author Topic: CHEATER and i got it on film! (Read 1308 times)

eye · « **Reply #30 on:** June 15, 2000, 11:33:00 PM »

Hey westy you here ? You see this

I guess its worse than simple 2 account cheating. Now we got hacking just like in aw3

Kirin · « **Reply #31 on:** June 16, 2000, 01:22:00 AM »

Well I don't know if such anomalies can be called cheating...

Yesterday I had a fight with a pony. He lost his wing during the fight but kept flying. He flew nice curves, split-sed and even scissored me... because we were above his field I ate too much ack damage and had to land... I was already very pissed off as I saw his plane exploding in mid-air without any external influence and I was arwarded the kill!

Well I guess in games played over the internet strange things happens... I wouldn't call someone cheater if I catch him in such a strange situation... keep an eye on him if the anomalie repeats itself other measures maybe appropriate!

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Mitsu · « **Reply #32 on:** June 16, 2000, 02:26:00 AM »

Oh, Zig....you killed by B-26 gunner?
it's pretty weird.

it may be bigger lag, I have ever experienced thing like you.

One day, I blew off F4U's both his wings however, he flew for a while, and he did turns, too.

But...unlike you, I got "splash one" message from him after that.

By the way MOGURA means the MOLE, so I think he's Japanese player.

-Mitsu

Saintaw · « **Reply #33 on:** June 16, 2000, 02:29:00 AM »

I have to say that these last two weeks have been a little weird, in the sense that I've seen quite a few planes Disco around me (No ALT F4 reason, since they were cruising or , anyway out of danger). I am also suffering about more Discoes lately than usual... checked the log and usualy is a router somewhere in NY that fails to respond for periods longer than 60seconds... the Bastid !

Westy · « **Reply #34 on:** June 16, 2000, 08:08:00 AM »

Eye, you are one strange duck. You don't have the first clue about what you're talking about in regard to the software here or in AW3. You're kind of like the daft peasant in the Monty Python scene who claims he was turned into a newt. You could earn an ounce of respect if for once you could, just once, actually back up just one of your accusations. BTW. Is "English" a second language for you?

Back on topic. As an outsider (never flew WB's online type) looking at this I can readily see the damage done by FH in the way the community of WB's had thier faith in their sim deeply eroded and hurt by the wanton violtaion of thier sim. But too many are ready to holler out "hack! cheat! packet changer!!" at the first sign of something "odd"
If you (no one in particular) really wanted to really bring attention to HTC this occurance and try top help resolve any possible abuse any films would have been emailed to HTC right off the bat. To post about it in the open forumn is actually counter productive because you end up with simpletons, like Eye here, that just suck this stuff up and regurgitate it here later on, whenever they also see anything strange, or far worse they say AH is hacke, and rife with cheats in other venues.
Take a moment to think about the consqeuences of stirring up a crowd too often to gather torches for a witch burning. If it is a witch then HTC wil take of it. Not us. A lynch mob only makes things ugly. It never makes anything "right" again.

-Westy

Suave1 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 16, 2000, 08:13:00 AM »

Another thing you have to realize is that film lies . For isntance I'll shoot someone down in MA and watch them go down and impact like a meteor and get a kill message, but watching it in playback, I shoot the guys wings off and fuselage in two but he just keeps flying on like a drone . Anyone else notice this ?

Dinger · « **Reply #36 on:** June 16, 2000, 09:25:00 AM »

Nobody's got the packet scheme right yet.
(hell I probly won't either)
Unless it can't get UDP to work (Firewall case above), it runs using both TCP/IP and UDP. Maneuvers, plane positions, tracer stat, etc. are UDP. Damage, building destruction, and comms are TCP/IP. So, a wingless bird would be one that never received the TCP/IP packet, but was transmitting UDPs.
Does this happen?
I dunno. I disco a lot at certain times of day (when my conx sucks). When you get the "host connection lost" message, you can no longer transmit comms, but your position does get updated, and you do receive ib comms. I even had a 109 attack my c47 today when I was in the "Disco" state. I kinda clicked "OK" before getting shot down though.
So perhaps he'd already discoed.

Soup Nazi · « **Reply #37 on:** June 16, 2000, 09:42:00 AM »

THERE WILL BE NO SOUP FOR CHEATERS...EVER!

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Beefcake · « **Reply #38 on:** June 16, 2000, 10:00:00 AM »

I have seen the exact same thing Zigrat. Once I was flying a B17 and 190 jumped me from dead on my 6. I manned the tail guns and opened up on him. I blew both his wings off, and his tail off. But yet he continued to fly. I continued firing on him to the point where I had ran my tail guns out of ammo. He had 3 fires, no wings and no tail but yet he climbed up 2k then dove on me (screwing up his dive he landed dead on my 6 again) I opened up with the ball turret, and at about that same time he fired 1 shot and off came my wings and down I went. He continued to fly with no wings and no tail, even after he had already got the kill. So don't start saying that buff pilots are cheating, it's happened to me and I'm sure a couple of others have seen it too.
It's just all net lag problem, and it only happeneds once in a blue moon.

P.S. I did manage to get one pic of the 190 just before I blew up. It's not that good but it shows that it did happened to me.

Replicant · « **Reply #39 on:** June 16, 2000, 10:29:00 AM »

Same here Beef, had that with a Spit... his wings were both missing yet he continued to fire and blow me out the sky. This happened over 30 - 40 seconds so I haven't a clue whether lag would last that long>!?

'Nexx'

Mox · « **Reply #40 on:** June 16, 2000, 10:46:00 AM »

Wow Zig! I just watched the entire film several times and it "appears" to me this person was cheating.

If this was simply a lag problem then HTC needs to increase (or decrease) what it allows for lag and kick these types of connections off when the lag threshold is met.

I've always said having a fast connection in AH is a disadvantage, and I can prove it at least on my current LAN connection. I know Dale told me that he only needs 3000 baud to make the game work but maybe it's time to double or triple that to make it fair to the majority of players.

Let me first say I dislike all cheaters of any kind. If I were able to find a way to cheat at AH I would call HTC and prove it to them so it could be fixed. I've caught several other players cheating in some really big name games (Ultima Online, Everquest, etc) and they've all been banned and fixed.

I've done a little packet sniffing on my end and I can tell you with my little knowledge I was able to do some odd things of which were no advantage to me or anyone else for that matter. I'm confident that a person with decent knowledge of sniffing and time on his/her hands "could" do some really interesting things in AH.

Mox
TWC

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Downtown · « **Reply #41 on:** June 16, 2000, 11:25:00 AM »

Watch the film, Hazed was seeing the same as Zigrat, you can see Hazed comment on it.

Also, if you turn Trails on, you can see the B-26 manuver, I.E. he was updating his movements, and wasnt' on Auto-Climb/Auto-Level.

The B-26 manuvers, it makes turns and such after its wings and tail are removed, then IT SHOOTS ZIG DOWN?

So, he missed the packets that show,

1, part of one wing (clearly visible watching the film.)

2. The Other Wing.

3. The Rest of the first wing.

But the update that the engines were hit works because the plane starts smoking?

Zig then comes back and makes another attack.

So this guy misses the update that Zig removes his tail.

Zig makes a third pass.

And the guy kills Zig.

All this time, the B-26 is manuvering, watch the TRAILS in the film.

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Fury · « **Reply #42 on:** June 16, 2000, 01:10:00 PM »

There is little that will divide a community faster than cheating/hacking accusations.

Personally I believe this matter should have been taken up in private with HTC and HTC alone.

Hopefully this board and the game itself does not degenerate into wild hacking accusations.

I'll wait to see what HTC has to say about the matter before I make up my mind. I have no idea how to code a game, I have no idea how to code network software, and I have little idea how the Internet in general works, much less how HTCs game works. Any information I have to add would be wild speculation that would just add to the witch hunt.

Fury

Mighty1 · « **Reply #43 on:** June 16, 2000, 02:34:00 PM »

Just looked at the film and I'm not sure what to make of it.

On one hand the B26 is still manuevering without wings or a tail and I only saw 1 small micro warp when u got real close.(Kinda looks like cheat)

On the other hand I also noticed that when you continued to fire at his wings the hits still registered like the wings were still there.(Kinda looks like lag)

I also noticed that it had 4 trails of smoke coming from it's engines. (doesn't the B26 only have 2 engines?)

Not sure what to make of it so I'm gonna leave it to HT and the gang to make the call.

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Downtown · « **Reply #44 on:** June 16, 2000, 03:46:00 PM »

I watched it a 7 and 8 time, the fuel leak starts from the flak hits he takes.

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