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Offline Zigrat

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« on: June 15, 2000, 05:21:00 PM »
Check this out! Its at the end of the tape. http://www.iit.edu/~buonmic/film14.ahf

WHO says buffs are paper!? They can fly WITHOUT WINGS.

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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2000, 05:31:00 PM »
You are kidding, right zig?   You do know that a bad connection can cause those sorts of things, right? And probably did in this case.   I would be very hesitant to call anyone a cheater.  

If you're just kidding, excuse my reply  

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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2000, 05:33:00 PM »
BTW, I'm at work. When I get home, I'll watch the film before I blab too awful much  

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2000, 05:55:00 PM »
If it was Lag?

Why was it when he opened up with his guns, did Zig get killed so fast?  This was right after Zig removed his tail also.  I mean within second.  You mean this guy didn't get an update that "Gee my wings are missing." then he didn't get the update that "Gee My tail is missing" but within seconds he gets the "That Nick in in Range and I can open up and shoot him down" update?

I am curious to know what Hazed has to say on this matter also he was in the area.

And Ultimately what HT and Pyro has to say.

I reccomend that you watch Zigs plane from the external view.  IF that guy didn't take the update of that amount of damage, WOW.

Regardless, HT needs to adjust Zigs score.

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2000, 06:01:00 PM »
I gotta admitt, That's odd.  I don't know if I would jump right to the conclusion that he is cheating, but it is odd...



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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2000, 06:11:00 PM »
Updating my score doesn't concern me, score doesn't concern me.

I didnt see him warping at all, and his lag was apparently good enough to kill me like DT said.

I just want to hear what HT or Pyro has to say about what could cause this.

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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2000, 06:16:00 PM »
we can never tell, maybe u guys used to have always an awsome connect. As far as I'm concerned, I have cable and sometimes a guy pass near me and i see no tracers, nose not pointing at me and 1 sec after he passed....ping ping ping boom.

That's frustrating but that's net lag. When I gun a buff, sometimes I shot a guy, light him up for 2 secs, finally his wing rippes and while he strats spining to the ground i eard pingpingpingcrack.

Sometimes for a buff, some bullets rip the wings off, sometimes at same distance, I light him up like a chrismas tree and it's still flying.

It's frustrating, I understand that, but start being clever and live with net lag mysteries. Calling someone a cheater is not nice.

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2000, 06:27:00 PM »
I downloaded the film but couldna watch it for some reason... guess I'll try again later.

Zig did this guy have a gunner on board?  Once I was riding as gunner with someone and we got bounced hard by 3 bandits.  I got 2 before the 3rd got the outer half of the right wing.  Even with the damage the 17 kept flying straight and level, so the bandit (spit I think) made a second run.  This time I got him.  Flew on like that for 45-60 seconds, maybe a touch longer.  Long enough for the 3rd bandit to ask me how I was keeping that 17 flying with half a wing missing.  Then it tumbled to the earth, taking me with it (couldna jump out)

Turned out me pilot had been discoed.  He came back in saying his ISP had dropped him.  This lead to the theory that the server kept the 17 going straight and level since it couldna reach his FE.

anywho.. just thought I'd throw this out...

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2000, 06:29:00 PM »
hmmm, had the same thing happen to me in another sim, guy was basically flying a flaming rocket, 20 guys shooting at him and nothing, he was flying a ju52 at the time.  I got irate, people started squeaking at me that its just lag, that the other sim couldnt be hacked.  

little while later, found out the sim was hacked, guys were packet sniffing.  Not saying it is or isnt just that its not always lag.  

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2000, 06:32:00 PM »
Well HT is the one who would best know the answer but from what people are saying I would definitely say it sounds like a hack. I really haven't examined HTs protocol but if the protocol data that says "dmg here" is removed or the code that calculates dmg is removed you'll get this problem.

It would have been better if the individual in question was contacted and the problem discussed.

There are a lot of unscrupulous no lifers out there who do this kind of crap. CS has been hacked countless times, although it is it does have a larger fan base and its architecture is open to the public.

You know what the solution to cheating is? Remove the 2 week free period for the main arena, then us real players don't have to deal with the dimwits. But then again I guess it's kind of fun to kill the dimwits.

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2000, 07:20:00 PM »
He didn't fly straight and level after Zig removes the first wing.  He may have gone into auto-climb just after that.  He does go pretty straight, with not too violent of a climb.  Just before zig takes his tail he does a manuver (goes level?) and then he is starting to bank when he takes zig out, (he is banking to the left.  I assume he was on the gun position, and used the rudders to unmask the left waist and tail.

It shows better on the External (F3) View, I kept moving the view to watch the B-26 in question.

The thing here is the update, just before he kills Zig, you can see the tracers, that had to be a pretty recent update, and like ZIg said, no Lag?

Tis odd!

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2000, 07:26:00 PM »
Watch it with trails on, watch the B-26, he is manuvering, without wings, they aren't violent manuvers, but they do show up with trails on.

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2000, 07:30:00 PM »
I havent looked at the film cause im at work too, but i will look when i get home. Anyways while we are on the topic of hacking the code...

THE best way to stop pr*cks who hack their code (cause they're too much if a usless pilot to kill any other way) is to put a CRC check routine at the start of the executable that checks the dll files and the exe files and other pertinent files against alteration. There is NO way you can even change a single bit without the CRC checksum changing dramatically. And to avoid people taking the checksum code out, the server will refuse to connect them untill it gets the CRC code back. It could even be seeded by the server sending a random seed to the FE and using that to seed the CRC calculation to avoid people hacking the code to send the 'correct' CRC chcksum.

This will kill any idoit who feks with the code. Wont stop packet filters tho - but i imagine there'd be a way round that too.

Food for thought.

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2000, 07:33:00 PM »
"pingpingpingcrack" ROFLOL Frenchy I could not think of a better way to describe it !  
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2000, 07:37:00 PM »
I watched it. Looks like a case of extreme lag to me. He prolly took those shots at you several seconds before you took the damage.

Dnil, the 'ol indestructable flyin' fuselage in WB was a bad connx thing.

Seen it on several occasions. It even happened to me once. Was flying along, everything normal, then a squaddie on RW tells me I have no wings and am smoking. I promptly relogged and it went away.

Guys don't get me wrong, I've been on the cheater witch hunt myself. A year ago in WB's I knew a guy who told a squaddie of mine that he had been playing with C+ (or whatever, had a *screenshot*  ) and could fly around invisibly. My squaddie smartly took screenshots of the conversation, we sent them to his CO, who dumped him and he quit the game.

I then appointed myself as "conquerer of cheaters" (LOL). I sent iEN a letter telling them of the *hacker*, posted it on AGW, etc. was pretty much like yelling 'shark!' at a beach. Everyone thought they saw cheaters/hackers for a long while.

I thought I had it all figured out. Found out through the grapevine the lil terd was only using a windows keystroke to make his plane dissapear for a few seconds(no, not alt-F4, and if you know it don't say it on this board please). He was a *hacker wannabe*.

Anyways, after going through all that BS, what did I figure out? The word cheater should never be used. If you see suspicious stuff, email pyro and HT and tell them who you saw. I believe they have ways of monitoring their gameplay.

If I had my guess, I'd say 99% of guys who get accused of cheating are just victims of a bad connection themselves.

That is why you won't see HB on open channel yelling cheater, seen to many crazy things to be so easily fooled.  

BTW, you WB's guys know of something called FH, I guarantee you HT and Pyro have all our connections monitored. Why do ya think the H2H is played on HTC's servers anyway?

To sum it all up, I aint skeerd of no cheaters here.