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Offline JBA

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« on: February 27, 2003, 10:46:07 AM »
Children of Maine Guard unit taunted by teachers
By Robert Stacy McCain
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


     Members of the Maine National Guard, called up to prepare for an attack on Iraq, have asserted that their children are being harassed at school by teachers who oppose the war.
 

     Guard members say their children are "coming home upset, depressed, crying," said Maj. Peter Rogers, a spokesman for the Maine National Guard. "This was based on some incidents that were happening in school, both in the classroom and on the playground."
     In an e-mail sent to the parents of one child who had complained of harassment at school, National Guard officials said they had "over 30 complaints that name schools and individual principals, teachers and guidance counselors."
     It was still not clear yesterday whether the state will discipline any of the named teachers or schools over the incidents.
     "In Maine, local superintendents make local policy for local schools," said Tammy Morrill, assistant to J. Duke Albanese, state commissioner of education.
     A "fact-gathering" process about the incidents is under way, Maj. Rogers said. The incidents involved students in elementary and middle schools, some as young as 7 years old, he said.
     "What we're hearing is that some of the educators are talking about the possible war in Iraq being unethical and that those who would fight it are unethical," Maj. Rogers said.
     The state commissioner of education has urged school officials to be more "sensitive" to military children.
     "Recently it has been brought to our attention that some school personnel ... may have been less than sensitive to children of military families regarding our continued strained relations with Iraq," Mr. Albanese wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to all superintendents and principals in Maine.
     "In some cases, parents — who are about to be deployed — have observed added stress and anxiety among their children who perceive a staff member or their peers as being insensitive to their beliefs and the potential danger to loved ones," Mr. Albanese wrote.
     The commissioner said that, while supporting "the right to discuss controversial issues," he wanted "to remind school personnel ... that the families of military personnel need our sensitivity."
     Complaints about harassment in schools first surfaced, Maj. Rogers said, after two of Maine's Army National Guard units were mobilized recently for deployment to the Middle East.
     "About a week ago, we started doing our family-assistance-center briefings," Maj. Rogers said, explaining that the centers provide support for the families of Guard troops on active duty. "In these briefings, a number of families came forward and talked about their children coming home upset, depressed, crying."
     Maj. Rogers said the state commissioner's office "has been very supportive" of the military families in responding to the complaints. "We're hoping [Mr. Albanese's letter to school officials] will end the issue," Maj. Rogers said. "We're not looking at pointing fingers or anything."
     Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.
     Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military.
     Teachers across the country have tried to find proper ways to teach children about the war on terrorism. Last year, the National Education Association was criticized for posting a link to an online lesson plan for the September 11 anniversary recommending that teachers discuss "historical instances of American intolerance" so that America could avoid "repeating terrible mistakes."
     The incidents involving the children of National Guard members in Maine were "a surprise to us," Maj. Rogers said. "We are certainly hoping that none of it was done maliciously. ... We certainly value the freedom of speech and fight for it, but we hope that people would be sensitive to the kids."
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2003, 10:49:30 AM »
Yeah, that's right - the entire population of an entire state of the US should feel guilty for the actions of a very small number.

Good thinking, Batman.

BTW, I think 'taunting' is a load of sweaty cobblers in this context. One teacher expressed her 'anti-war feelings' in a discussion about Iraq. Well, surely she's entitled to hold them and express them if asked. The actual 'taunting' was done by kids on the school bus.

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2003, 10:51:24 AM »
I think the whole Batman thing is supposed to be a secret Dowding, don't tell anyone.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2003, 10:54:42 AM »
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Yeah, that's right - the entire population of an entire state of the US should feel guilty for the actions of a very small number.

Good thinking, Batman.



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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2003, 11:01:14 AM »
Dowding...people in Maine should be ashamed of their teachers is the way I read it....not that the whole state should be ashamed for being from Maine where the incident took place.  Subtle, but very big, difference.

I'm sure Jane Fonda is really proud of them though..so don't worry.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2003, 11:01:16 AM »
article dosnt even say what the kids said, but it really dosnt matter. noone cared when we made fun of the fatties(and in college i still do). kids are going to pick on each other so squealing what.....wait a second! this sounds a job for the ACLU!!!!

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2003, 11:01:30 AM »
I don't think so dowding. The teacher is in too influential of a position to express his/her views to young students. That is morally wrong. Compound that it a position contrary to what the government and what mainstream USA is taking.  Those teachers are out of line. They should go home and tell their spouses, friends, relatives. Go to the lounge and express their opinions to other teachers.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2003, 11:01:37 AM »
I don't live in Maine but I'm still ashamed.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2003, 11:51:25 AM »
I don't live in Maine and I'm more than a bit pissed off about this. A teacher is supposed to be apolitical in the classroom.

Dowding, I suppose the entire USA should be upset because you disagree with our nation's poilicies. I don't think that is likely to happen. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2003, 12:06:15 PM »
Dowding....
Duck...went  right over your head...
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2003, 12:14:01 PM »
Teaching support apolitical?  LOL!

I aplaud people in Maine for bringing it up as an issue.  The people who should be ashamed are in all of the other areas where this is being done and no response is occuring.

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2003, 12:14:07 PM »
Im from Maine, have been...Maine Air National Guard from 1987-1994, etc...trust me, we'll deal with em.  We seem to get all the tree-hugger's from the cities who come up here...

Hadn't heard of this locally but I work 9-5 then 6-10pm every week night.  

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2003, 12:21:31 PM »
Teachers aren't allowed to express their views on controversial issues to students, atleast not in the 2 states and the nation's capitol, where I attended school(s).

As a matter of fact, teachers are there to teach the material and that's that...

Teachers can't express their views on God, or religion, or anything questionable to students... badgering students about what their parents do should be grounds for immediate dismissal without compensation and never be hired anywhere else.

If they want to talk to the parents, that's a whole other issue... but the students, you just dun fukd yourself.
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2003, 12:22:20 PM »
load of crap!

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Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.


Was the assistant instructed to do so? Could be. Other than this little line in the entire article NOTHING relates to the title. Yellow journalism at its finest!

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2003, 12:23:46 PM »
Ok, did some digging...found this...

Bangor Daily News
Military sensitivity sought in schools
Reminder to aid kids with deployed parents



Commissioner of Education J. Duke Albanese said Monday he plans to send e-mails to schools reminding them to be "sensitive" to children whose parents may be involved in the war on Iraq.Albanese said Maj. Gen. Joseph Tinkham, state adjutant general, told him Monday that the Army National Guard had received complaints from parents across the state who felt "people weren't as sensitive as they should be."


When he first heard about the complaints last week, he had been under the impression that parents were upset about teachers making anti-war statements in the classroom, Albanese said.

In fact, according to "anecdotal stories" told to him by Tinkham, the commissioner said only one complaint had to do with a classroom activity in which a child became upset after a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" side.

Other complaints were from parents on two occasions who thought local school personnel "should have been more sensitive" when a student requested to leave early for a military-related activity and when a student was teased on a school bus because a parent was in the military.

The anecdotes were reported at family assistance centers, where relatives of deployed soldiers can get information and support.

Albanese said late Monday afternoon he would send out an advisory "reiterating the need to be sensitive to the times and to the children who might have a parent who's going to be potentially dispatched to war."

Maine teachers and schools have an "excellent track record" when it comes to supporting families, Albanese said.

"Often teachers act as surrogates ... in support of a child who's concerned about what's happening at home," he said.

Army National Guard spokesman Maj. Peter Rogers said late Monday he was pleased with the department's move.

"That's great news," he said. "I think a lot of it was probably that people weren't thinking and hopefully this will fix the problem," he said. "A lot of teachers may not have known children had parents who were deployed."

As of Friday, his department had received "no phone calls, e-mails or faxes," Albanese said. "Usually parents would come to us and let us know their concerns."

On Monday four e-mails arrived from people who had seen a television report that Maine Army National Guard officials were getting complaints from parents.

"That's not what we consider a huge response to the problem," Albanese said. "That's really minimal."

The e-mails "were about [people] wanting and encouraging us and me in particular to do something about this."

Rogers is hopeful things will be worked out.

"All we're looking for is for educators to be sensitive to the fact that we have family members in the classrooms and these kids have already suffered the trauma of having someone from their family deployed," he said.

"Everyone has the right to free speech, but if it's making kids uneasy and their separation harder, it's not something we're interested in at all."