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Offline Shane

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« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2003, 06:14:18 PM »
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Originally posted by Noctilux
Tilt can only manage a 3:1 k/d in the La-7?  That's not great.  That's mediocre.  I do better than this in my slower, less-maneuverable F4U-1D.  Try again.




noctilux:  
Kills / Deaths  2.36735
Kills / Sorties  1.05936
Kills / Hour  4.068  

tilt:
Kills / Deaths  2.26667
Kills / Sorties  1.33708
Kills / Hour  5.508

i'd have to say tilt is looking statistically better. more agressive, more effective and k/d is very close.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2003, 06:19:54 PM by Shane »
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« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2003, 06:24:29 PM »
Ahh the score page is back up? :D
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« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2003, 06:24:42 PM »
The call is entirely up to HTC.. but as long as the community is discussing, I see no reason why we keep limiting ourselves to the current agenda of '20% = unbalance' rule.

 Maybe not all of the community supports to the '1943 arena' criteria I suggested... but IMO, lightly perking(max 4 points) the 10 post-'44 rides as I have suggested above, might help evolve the MA into something more interesting and fun.

 It is no coincidence that among the 10 planes I suggested perked at 3~4 points, five of them can carry more than 2000lbs of ordnance. Currently, we have quite many interesting bombers and attackers that historically specialized in ground attacks, which are totally neglected in MA conditions because there are free planes flying around that are faster than most other fighters, can drop as much as ordnance as light bombers, and have fighting capabilities at the same time. Why up an A-20 or a Mossie when taking a F4U-1D or a Typhoon, or a P-51D can do the job and have even better survivability?

 For one thing, lightly perking the 10 late-war rides might promote the usage of Mosquito, Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8, A-20G and a variety of ground attack specialists - because after the 10 have been perked, they will carry the most ordnance for free, and against non-perked planes, boast a bit higher survivability thanks to their speed.

 Maybe there are possibilities of considering perks for the purpose of diversifying the MA, rather than the reason that a certain plane causes a 'nuisance' or a 'balance problem'?

 Come to think of it, in the free C-hog days, there were still people wildly objecting to limiting its usage.. the same skeptical responses were there then, too. But after it was regulated through 8 perks, I don't see much people complaining anymore. Of course, the C-hog was claiming 20% of kills then, but basically the core of the skepticism then, is same as now.

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 What would you guys think about a mid/late 1943 MA environment? Wouldn't it offer a bit more chance of fun? :confused:

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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2003, 06:25:03 PM »
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La7's are fine with me...the whole perk thingie is really not needed me thinks....still, HTC runs the show.

As to 51's not fighting.....I know a few that will not only fight you but kill ya as well....Shane, Fester, WldThing, Urchin, Manx and some 13thTAS members as well....and I'm not talkin boom and zoom ya...I'm talkin takin the fight to ya and makin ya work for it.


Had the pleasure of running into you and another P-51 the other day and you both made me work really hard to get you both.  I never found out who your wingman was but you guys really worked very well together, too bad your wingman extended just a little too far to be able to reverse in time but that was the only mistake either of you guys made in a good fight.


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« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2003, 06:27:56 PM »
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Ahh the score page is back up? :D


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« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2003, 06:35:10 PM »
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 What would you guys think about a mid/late 1943 MA environment? Wouldn't it offer a bit more chance of fun? :confused:


Well that would mean no P-47 since the D11 is an early 44 bird, so that would count me out. But I see where your coming from.  

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« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2003, 07:03:30 PM »
Don't perk it. Read all the posts for the most part. I don't see why the Ta152 is perked though, it doesn't roll as well as the 190s, isn't THAT fast, not sure how well it turns. Ammo loadout is decent and potent but then so are the 190s, and it has a heck of an operating radius.

Spit14 I can understand why it's perked after Furball pointed out to me how effective it would be as BnZ fighter plus it can turn fight pretty well. It would be kinda like a new F4U-1C. Still don't see why it's at 60 perks though. 15-20 would be fine IMHO.

F4U-4 is pretty damn fast and accelerates in a dive like nothing I've seen. Other than the speed factor it's just another F4U1-D as far as I know anyways, I could be wrong.

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« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2003, 07:40:12 PM »
Looks like the community has decided.
The plane that killed Tequilla the most last tour will not be perked.

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« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2003, 08:25:35 PM »
Dont perk La-7
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« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2003, 08:55:47 PM »
dont perk it----just subtract 10 knots off its deck speed..make it more realistic--does ANYone think the LA7 was the fastest prop job in ww2?
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« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2003, 09:33:09 PM »
Of course not bj229r, everyone knows that it was the P-47!:D
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« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2003, 10:59:40 PM »
Do not perk.

Also... remove perk from F4U-1C and TA-152.
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« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2003, 11:06:44 PM »
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i'd have to say tilt is looking statistically better. more agressive, more effective and k/d is very close.


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« Reply #88 on: March 03, 2003, 11:38:59 PM »
Don't perk it.

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« Reply #89 on: March 04, 2003, 12:05:36 AM »
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Do not perk.

Also... remove perk from F4U-1C and TA-152.


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