Author Topic: US flag (Read 2053 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 05, 2003, 11:39:23 AM »

when hillery is elected president , i'm going to burn the flag

AKIron · « **Reply #31 on:** March 05, 2003, 11:42:49 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
when hillery is elected president , i'm going to burn the flag

I'll just quietly move to Mexico, where the government won't be as corrupt.

AKIron · « **Reply #32 on:** March 05, 2003, 11:47:16 AM »

I already told you, I don't have strong feelings about it. You're the one getting "worked up" over it. But if the flag has no value then what would you hope to gain by burning it?

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Originally posted by Oedipus
"but why?"

Because the flag is superficial. It's literally nothing. Burn it and it harms the US none. The very real ideals and hopes that are the basis of what the US was founded on are matter. The US Constitution and Bill of Rights are real. Guess what thoug? Burn them and the US still exists unchanged for it. IMO it's the intangibles that are more important and aso are the memory and ideals of the thousands of citizens and friends who fought to make this country what it had been which. Not a colored cotton or silk symbol.

Too bad people like you can't get as worked up about those who submit and pass sham legislation like the "Patrioit Acts." Or if you need something materialistic to get worked up over then get mad and do something about the poor state many of our monuments and memorials, to people more worthy than, us lay in. Go out and restore a plaque. Go rake up and clean the garbage around a monument.

Oed

Frogm4n · « **Reply #33 on:** March 05, 2003, 12:37:53 PM »

it starts with flag burning laws and it ends with people being locked up for discent towards the rulling party.

Rude · « **Reply #34 on:** March 05, 2003, 01:33:14 PM »

Folks that get stuff free rather than earning it, kinda have a different viewpoint eh?

fd ski · « **Reply #35 on:** March 05, 2003, 01:56:49 PM »

USA was build on ideas, such as Bill of Rights rather then symbols. Most nations on this planet don't understand the difference, but it is huge.

Symbols are meaningless, they are supposed to be a representation of the idea not an idea itself.

Thought of personal freedom is far more important then any symbol on this planet. If you don't agree with that, you should reevaluate your ideas about personal freedoms.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #36 on:** March 05, 2003, 01:59:33 PM »

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Originally posted by fd ski
Symbols are meaningless, they are supposed to be a representation of the idea not an idea itself.

Then they are not meaningless if they represent the idea. The are meaningful. Many men died for that flag that represents our ideology...its a matter of respect, a concept that is lacking in your generation of immigrants.

Edit, spelling.

AKIron · « **Reply #37 on:** March 05, 2003, 02:03:32 PM »

I agree about freedom being more important than a symbol. But if the symbol is so meaningless then why burn it? Do I have the right to burn my underwear in public? (discounting the toxic fumes)

BTW, I disagree with the flag being an insignificant symbol.

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Originally posted by fd ski
USA was build on ideas, such as Bill of Rights rather then symbols. Most nations on this planet don't understand the difference, but it is huge.

Symbols are meaningless, they are supposed to be a representation of the idea not an idea itself.

Thought of personal freedom is far more important then any symbol on this planet. If you don't agree with that, you should reevaluate your ideas about personal freedoms.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #38 on:** March 05, 2003, 03:37:21 PM »

That flag, as a peice of cloth may be insignificant, but the ideas and actions that it represents are not.

These people are not burning an insignificant flag in my eyes, however. They are burning those ideas.

slimm50 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 05, 2003, 04:19:23 PM »

NO ONE IS FORCED TO PLEDGE ALLIEGENCE (SP?). If you don't want to, for whatever reason, and everyone else around you is, simply remain silent. No one's gonna arrest you if you do. Or, you could omit the words "...under God." if you're offended by that. But the flag of one's country is definitely symbolic of the best things about that country, and it should be honored as such. To say it's "...just a piece of cloth." misses the point, entirely. When I look at the flag of the USA I am reminded of the sacrifice made by others (some of them my kin) so I can live free in the greatest country on earth, and also so that others in other countries can have the opportunity to bash us with impunity.

midnight Target · « **Reply #40 on:** March 05, 2003, 05:00:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Rude
Folks that get stuff free rather than earning it, kinda have a different viewpoint eh?

Huh?

The Flag does represent something..... it represents a Country with the basic idea that freedom matters. Freedom matters for everyone. EVERYONE.

Freedom don't mean squat if you only dole it out to the people who make you feel all warm and fuzzy!

AKIron · « **Reply #41 on:** March 05, 2003, 05:07:30 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Huh?

The Flag does represent something..... it represents a Country with the basic idea that freedom matters. Freedom matters for everyone. EVERYONE.

Freedom don't mean squat if you only dole it out to the people who make you feel all warm and fuzzy!

There's no freedom if we don't respect each others rights, correct? So why is it so important that someone have the right to crap on a symbol (which may be insignificant to them) that represents, among other things, that very freedom earned and kept by the sacrifice of so many?

midnight Target · « **Reply #42 on:** March 05, 2003, 05:10:49 PM »

So are you going to be the one who decides what is acceptable and what is not?

Or should we leave that up to Congress?

Maybe the SC?

riiiiggghhhtt.

AKIron · « **Reply #43 on:** March 05, 2003, 05:21:03 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
So are you going to be the one who decides what is acceptable and what is not?

Or should we leave that up to Congress?

Maybe the SC?

riiiiggghhhtt.

You think I don't have a say in what Congress does? I'll go so far as to say that not only do I have the right to influence, if not control Congress, but I have the responsibility to do so. Of course I understand my voice is but one among millions, nonetheless, Congress should be making laws based on what we want and think to be right. Isn't that how democracy works?

midnight Target · « **Reply #44 on:** March 05, 2003, 05:32:52 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
You think I don't have a say in what Congress does? I'll go so far as to say that not only do I have the right to influence, if not control Congress, but I have the responsibility to do so. Of course I understand my voice is but one among millions, nonetheless, Congress should be making laws based on what we want and think to be right. Isn't that how democracy works?

Yes it does. Which is exactly the reason the founding fathers insisted on those first 10 amendments. Too easy for the ijits in DC to vote away our rights without those 10 little rules.