Author Topic: US flag (Read 2380 times)

takeda · « **Reply #60 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:45:23 AM »

Just in, Aznar is rumored to decree a flag change for the Kingdom of Spain:

Leslie · « **Reply #61 on:** March 07, 2003, 04:03:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You must understand that national pride is the reason we don't want any law protecting the flag.

Once respect for the flag is mandated by law, I think few would truly respect it.

I certainly wouldn't. The day they make it illegal to desecrate a flag is the day I wipe my bellybutton with one.

Don't worry Sandman, with guys like you on the job, I'm sure it will never be mandated by law.

Les

SOB · « **Reply #62 on:** March 07, 2003, 07:08:19 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Oh well, perhaps there never was any value in national pride anyhow, time (and not much of it) will tell.

What does national pride have to do with you being selfish?

SOB

midnight Target · « **Reply #63 on:** March 07, 2003, 09:25:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Montezuma
But then the south lost and they added the 14th Amendment, so now states can't do that.

Thank You,

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No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

AKIron · « **Reply #64 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:17:36 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
What does national pride have to do with you being selfish?

SOB

Are you calling me selfish SOB? You need to elaborate, I don't think I so witty as you.

AKIron · « **Reply #65 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:20:54 PM »

You guys act like we don't have all sorts of restrictions governing our behavior. Furthermore, many of you that want to preserve the right to burn the flag would gladly trample a right clearly spelled out in the constitution, the right to bear arms. If it weren't so sad it'd be funny.

SOB · « **Reply #66 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:42:14 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Are you calling me selfish SOB? You need to elaborate, I don't think I so witty as you.

I'm not trying to be witty. It just seems pretty selfish to want to take away someone else's right to protest by burning the flag just because it makes you feel bad.

SOB

AKIron · « **Reply #67 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:44:14 PM »

I'm not the one that branched off into the burning of the flag being a constitutionally protected right, furthermore I don't agree that it is. As I stated, not all speech is protected by the constitution and I pointed out that obscenity and profanity in public are not guaranteed rights.

I classify burning the flag as an act of contempt in the same category as marching down main street with a sign filled with profanities. It isn't allowed, why, because it is offensive and most people (democracy remember) don't want it to happen.

If you're gonna use the constitution to defend your rights you can't be selective about it.

SOB · « **Reply #68 on:** March 07, 2003, 08:42:16 PM »

That's how you classify it. I'm not sure I'd classify it with obscene language, but I don't condone the act either. That doesn't mean it should be illegal. I doubt either of us are going to change our minds on the subject tho', so it's probably not adventageous to continue.

SOB

Frogm4n · « **Reply #69 on:** March 07, 2003, 09:12:38 PM »

actually most people dont want an anti flag burning law akiron.

AKIron · « **Reply #70 on:** March 08, 2003, 10:31:50 AM »

Like I said when I entered this conversation, I don't have strong feelings about it, same as I don't have strong feelings when I hear someone loudly say "motherdiddlyer" in a public place. Though I have told a few to watch their language if there were women or children around.

So long as I have the right to tell any amazinhunk that would burn the flag what I think of them in whatever colorful language I might choose I guess I can live with it.

Toad · « **Reply #71 on:** March 08, 2003, 11:41:46 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Furthermore, many of you that want to preserve the right to burn the flag would gladly trample a right clearly spelled out in the constitution, the right to bear arms. If it weren't so sad it'd be funny.

SHACK!

Iron.

(Oed, that's not a "gun control" thread hijack argument, it's a highlighting of hypocrisy.)

SOB · « **Reply #72 on:** March 08, 2003, 12:46:38 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
So long as I have the right to tell any amazinhunk that would burn the flag what I think of them in whatever colorful language I might choose I guess I can live with it.

Well, of course!

SOB

Manedew · « **Reply #73 on:** March 08, 2003, 01:20:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Oedipus
"..... we should just throw out the Constitution and be done with it. It's so confusing!"

Where have you been? That's been underway for some time now. The lack of resistance to the gutting of the Bill of Rights is thier testing the water. It's just the opening act.

Oed

These Patriot Act(s) are very scarey. It BREAKS the constitution in many ways. Yet very few show worry... Cambridge Mass. fought it, so did Portland OR.... So did many cities that still think we shouldn't allow Big Brother into our home; or allow the sniffing of our packets. Becareful not to have thought crimes .... the water these days kinda feels like 'The Commite for Un-American Activites'.

Remember it's guilty until proven innocent now!

Burning the flag and throwing a guy in jail... you'd be arresting him for a 'thought crime'.... but this is proably smoke and mirror's made to distract from the patriot act

Rasker · « **Reply #74 on:** March 08, 2003, 01:47:09 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Not well practiced, but thank you just the same.

A strict interpretation of the 1st Amendment would actually allow a State to restrict free speech, since the 1st only disallows the federal govt from passing such laws. Luckily most States have similar Bills of Rights within their own State Constitutions.

Actually Federal Courts since 1900 have been applying more of the amendments to state governments as well, as requirements of "due process" which states must follow under the 14th amendment. Effectively these days the constitutional restrictions on state and federal governments are identical. In addition state courts are free to interpret their constitutions differently than a federal court would dealing with identical language in the US Constitution.