Ok, Brady ... (F4U whined out of CT)

[Arlo]

Exactly how was the F4U-1 being "misused" in the slot? By "misused" do you mean used? How the heck can you justify yanking it when 1 in 10 allied pilots were flying it? Heck it was stuck at one base on bumfug island? It had to be ferried to the frappin front. Players have discussed using it there.

 What was the whine that made your mind up? Hell, it couldn't be that IJ players were getting shot down by them. The discussion in the buffer hinted at IJ players shooting stoopid hog drivers down on sight, for the most part. Did someone witness two at one time? Was that the sin that did it in?

 I call BS on this one Brady. The F4U wasn't even effecting the balance one bit. Saying "it was only there to prevent a reset" was bogus.

 Following that up with "the f4U will never be featured in the CT again until HT adds more IJ planes to it's planeset" was more so.

 and ... "I'm sorry I took away your toy. Go fly a P-40." Was outright goofy.

 Ok ... there ya go. Thanks fer nuthin'.

 Ahem ....

 Git us dedicated "stoopid" `sair jockeys all excited then roll over on us. For shame!

[brady]

The F4U-1a was add by me at the last Bish base to prevent a map reset, much like we have added other Ubber planes in past set up's at rear bases for the same reasion. When I saw people were flying it over two sectors to compleatly domanate the fighting their it became aparent to me that it was being "missuesed" that is to say used outside of the context it was intended for. The only way around tis was to unplug it.

 Normaly I would never do such a thing mid day, but I felt I had no choice, it compleatly domanated the A6M2 and is in no way a fair match.

 "Following that up with "the f4U will never be featured in the CT again until HT adds more IJ planes to it's planeset" was more so."

  This was taken out of context to some extent, We have used it in fantisy set's that featured Tonys and A6M5's and I am shure we will again and I said that in a fantisy set it will be used again, but certainly not in a speicaly designed perioud set up for early 43 since we dont realy have a Japanese fighter from then to pit aganst it.


  Thsi preent set up is intended to High light the Wildcat and the A6M2, with the P40E and the Tony to act as a means to prevent a reset of the map at extream ends of the map. The problem with the fleats spawning all over creation kinda disrupted that balance and forced the Zero up aganst the F4U-1a, I had intended the Tony to be available at the southern bases to help deal with it but this hasent hapened since the front has stagnated do to in part the dificulaty in taking bases.


        As you said I should of added it in the first place your right their. I am sory the players had to deal with it as they did.

[GRUNHERZ]

Get rid of the Ki61 and P40E was well. People will spend an hour flying them up or down as necessary just to have an edge and make up for poor skills and cowardice. This is a battle between A6M2 and F4F4.

[Arlo]

The F4U-1 wasn't dominating the Zekes ... lol. What's the stats? Was the F4U dropping Zekes like flies when I wasn't lookin'? At best, I was able to get away from one a couple of times. If that player whined that I got away and that's what this is about then geez. Re-enble the damned F4Us and I'll keep my damned droptank on from now on. LOL

[GRUNHERZ]

Shut up and fly the F4F4, if you cannot get kills without corsairs then wait for the next scenario.  Why on earth are people so fearful of having to fight in planes with generally similar capabilities of speed and turn like we have with F4F4 and A6M2.

Why do you fellas feel like you must spend an hour ferrying in an F4U, or Ki61, or P40E instead of just using the zero or wildcat - thats what this scenario is supposed to be about.

Brady go ahead and drop the P40E and Ki61 as well...

[eddiek]

...and drop the Ki67 as well.  
It was LATE war, sub in the Ju88 if you "have" to have an Axis bomber, or make the Boston available for both sides.
As it is, you're not going to catch a Ki67 unless you are willing to take part in an extended tail chase or you have mega alt to burn for speed.
Dropping the F4U-1a (IMO, should have had the F4U-1, not the -1a in the first place) without dropping the Tony only stacks the deck further against the US forces.  
An A6M2 is more than a match for the F4F-4, it outclimbs, outruns, and outturns it.  I don't know which side I'll fly for when I log in, but from what I read in the other thread, if you want to make this A6M vs F4F setup, you gotta disable the Ki61 too.  
Otherwise, you will seeing the Tony ferried across the map, base to base, just like you feared or saw happening with the Corsair.

[Arlo]

Shut your own pie-hole and try to keep up with the real issue here, Grunthurts.

 I'm getting more kills in the F4F than the F4U-1 in the Slot. So don't go waving that red herring around and thinking you're onto something.

 The terrain was offered with the F4U-1 "to prevent the IJ from winning". It was disabled "to prevent the IJ from losing". Neither of which has been close to happening during the entire life of this new version of the Slot map. In other words ... both of those excuses were just that ... excuses.

 Brady locked down the F4U-1 because he percieved it, all of a sudden, as a genuine threat to the stability of the current CT map. It was an over-reaction and a poorly concieved act on his part.

 As far as your "argument" of turning all planes but the F4F-4 and the A6M2 off ... hell, may as well. But that has no bearing on my objection that Brady's reasoning of the adjusting of the CT arena to make sure it is comfy cozy for the Axis side is flawed and quite possibly prejudiced.

 Got something to say about that? Yes? No? Dufus.

[Slash27]

Wasnt the P40E in the theater durung 1942?  Either way I agree with getting rid of it and the Ki-61.  If you want to add something for reset defense, add the A6M5 and FM 2 at the rear bases. It doesnt look like the front is going to move too much anyway. And if they are ferried to the front, they wont be that big of a factor as compared tp the Tony and F4U-1.  Just an ideah. I'm fine with A6M2 vs F4F-4 and the bombers we have now. What ever you do, please lose the Tony.

[brady]

Arg, the Tony is only available the last Japanese base now, the P40E is limited to just the Two Rear Allied bases.

   The Boston and the Ki 67 balance each other out and hve been satandard in the CT early war pac plane set for a long time, no other subs will be made.

[Arlo]

So you nixed the Ju88 as well. At least that's something.

 BTW ... what was the "launch bug" that required all Allied fleets be reset to their starting point when they were supporting an assault on an IJ base? Just curious.

[DeMann]

If this scenario is supposed to highlight the wildcat vs. the zeke, then make those the ONLY fighters in the planeset.

If balance is really what you want, then remove BOTH of the planes that were supposed to counter the other's advantage.

Sure, there will be people who ferry the F4U or the Tony all the way across the map to get it to where the combat is.  Personally, I think if they have the patience to do that, they've earned the advantage that the plane gets them.  After all, when they get shot down, they'll have to ferry another one all that way ... or up in a different plane from a base closer to the action.  Everybody gets shot down sooner or later.

I don't think having the Corsair and the Tony at the most rearward bases for each side would unbalance the scenario in any way.

However, if one is going to be removed, then BOTH must be removed to maintain the balance.

[brady]

The Tony is not available now for the same reasion tards fling it 5 sectors to give themselfs an advantage.

  I am leaving the P40E in at the two bases I mentioned, we just had it in a set up aganst the A6M2 for a whole week and it was not all that bad, if some neads to fly it 5 sectors to see acton then the more power to them.

[KG45]

lets see if i got this right.

some cool dudes volunteer their time, and work real hard, to set up and run this CT senario.

some 'players' come in and decide they are going to 'game the game', give themselves an advantage, and upset the premise (a 1942 wildcat/zero senario setting).

and then they have the gall to whine when called on it?

 

[Batz]

the f4u-1 is damn near 100 miles  faster then the a6m2 and shouldnt have been there to begin with. I saw guys flying 3 to 4 sectors in it to club the baby seals.

The ki 61 shouldnt be there either but its advantage is no where near what the f4u-1 had. I too have seen folks fly the tony 4 sectors and I would suggest getting rid of it too as well as the the p40.

While you are at it get rid of the ki 67 and Boston. The only time I see bostons in when they are suiciding a fleet. The axis can use the be88y and the allies have the sbd and tbm.

[GRUNHERZ]

If you like the wildcat so much then why the whine about corsair getting removed?  

wtg brady on cutting out the dweeb opportuinities!