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Offline weazel

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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2003, 01:15:32 PM »
People with any common sense question anything FAUX News reports.

FAUX is about as credible a source as the National Enquirer.


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Some bombs have now been found capable of delivering chemical/biological agents.... see fox news for info

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Re: If you had a credible source I would believe it.
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2003, 01:19:03 PM »
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Originally posted by weazel
People with any common sense question anything FAUX News reports.

FAUX is about as credible a source as the National Enquirer.
Read the UN report Weazel. It's right there. http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/

Click on cluster report.

Read

Enjoy

Prepare for war.

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2003, 01:35:19 PM »
Maybe I'm missing something here, but should'nt Blix have pointed these particular items out?

Here's my report....here's what needs special attention.

I just don't get it. If your Bush, don't you point to this, go AHA!! and enforce 1441?

UN Pantywastes......

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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2003, 01:36:37 PM »
On that other type of cluster munitions missile:


In its 1996 FFCD, Iraq stated that, in May 1988, a project designated “Luna S” was initiated to convert the FROG rocket warhead into a cluster warhead constructed of aluminum and certain components from the Ababil 50 rocket. According to Iraq, Al Muthanna State Establishment rejuected the proposal to use an aluminum shell as a container for CW agents and the project was abandoned in July 1988. Iraq stated that only sketches had been produced and that no prototypes had been built.

Documents found at the Haidar Farm in 1995 were sent to a supporting Government for analysis in April 1996. In June 1997, the supporting Government provided a written assessment that the documentation contained all the necessary files and specifications to build a non-conventional warhead, probably a chemical warhead for the FROG rocket. The assessment also stated that some documents had been daten in March 1989 and in August 1990, which contradicted Iraq’s statement that all work relating to non-conventional warheads for such rockets had been abandoned in 1988.

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Iraq had the capability to develop indigenously and produce non-conventional warheads for weapons such as the Scud missile. It can, therefore, be assumed that Iraq also had the same capability for a short-range missile like the FROG. In addition, documentary evidence suggests that Iraq had worked on developing this capaility at least until August 1990.

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Re: If you had a credible source I would believe it.
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2003, 01:39:07 PM »
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Originally posted by weazel
People with any common sense question anything FAUX News reports.

FAUX is about as credible a source as the National Enquirer.


I get my news from multiple sources...where do you get yours from Weazel?

Hortlund, didn't you know? Anytime you give a good source or facts and data, that sends Weazel running.

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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2003, 01:39:44 PM »
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The stated design goal for one of the RPV’s, designated by Iraq as “RPV-20”, was to create a drone with an endurance of one hour that han an anutonomous system for guidance and control with GPS navigation.


A super weapon using an American controlled homing device ?

it's a joke ?

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2003, 01:41:01 PM »
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Blix wants a 30 year contract to chase weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.  Ya can't get one of those unless there's going to be an Iraq.....so what ya spect him ta do eh?  

Hey....keeps him feeling important and in the limelight :D


EXACTLY!

you think he wants to report himself outa a job? outa the camera lens? back o ... what did he do before he become the un's doublespeak mouthpiece???
Plus the fact he doesn't have the big brass ones to be the one who pulls the trigger on a war with Iraq...

and the drones ............................. ... nothing to worry bout there..

SOLDIER'S CHILLING WARNING
 
An Iraqi defector has told Sky News that Saddam Hussein will use chemical weapons if the country is invaded.

His warning comes amid revelations Saddam Hussein may be planning to use pilotless drone planes to spray British and US troops with anthrax and sarin gas if they attack.

In an exclusive interview, the officer with Saddam's elite Republican Guard, said the use of chemical weapons by Iraq was "100% guaranteed".

The 26-year-old soldier defected 10 days ago near the city of Sulaymaniyah in Northern Iraq.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12265723,00.html
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Re: If you had a credible source I would believe it.
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2003, 01:53:06 PM »
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People with any common sense question anything FAUX News reports.

FAUX is about as credible a source as the National Enquirer.


It's on CNN too...just not on the front page.  Weazel, with all due respect, bias is not equivalent to "untrue."  If your standing far far on the left, than someone in the center still appears far far to your right.  You can argue the opinion that Fox is biased differently from CNN (to use the two top cable shows as an example), as witnessed in this particular example: Fox is running the discoverly of these chemical/bio cluster bombs on their websites front page; at CNN you have to click an extra link (WORLD link) to get to it.  News media bias comes in when a news organization chooses to emphasize certain news items while de-emphasizing others.  The above is a classic example.  That both these agencies are reporting the same information, the importance they give them is different.  

I realize that any media outlet is likely to be biased to some extent...that's why I check more than one source.  My suggestion is that you do the same before commenting as you've done above.  Your knee-jerk reaction to the comment regarding the source mentioned (i.e. Fox), without bothering to check if the story was corroborated by other news outlets, casts doubt on your objectivity.

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2003, 01:58:47 PM »
Straffo- I'm not extremely knowledgeable on GPS systems and satellites, but if I'm not mistaken the satellites are only American satellites. I don't believe it can be controlled as to what GPS devices can use the satellites, or in the same vein, be stopped from using those same satellites.

In other words- the technology is free for anyone to use around the world and short of turning off all the GPS satellites, there's no way to stop GPS systems from recieving world wide coordinates.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2003, 02:17:45 PM »
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Straffo- I'm not extremely knowledgeable on GPS systems and satellites, but if I'm not mistaken the satellites are only American satellites. I don't believe it can be controlled as to what GPS devices can use the satellites, or in the same vein, be stopped from using those same satellites.

In other words- the technology is free for anyone to use around the world and short of turning off all the GPS satellites, there's no way to stop GPS systems from recieving world wide coordinates.
-SW


Essentially correct.  The US can make the signal less accurate for "non-authorized" users.  Former President Clinton ordered this feature turned off several years ago.  It now takes an executive order from the President to re-enable this feature.  Then, it is enabled world wide.  Because of the extensive use by the transportation industry of the GPS signal, it is unlikely that this would happen; too many rely on it's high accuracy.  Safety would become a real concern.
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2003, 02:17:49 PM »
Well -sw I'm not an expert in GPS but I've worked on a positionning system for city buses some ... 8 year ago  :)

And at this time the civilian were not having the same resolution ,the error (from memory) was randomly set between 200 and 600 meters/yard .
You can imagine that it was far from the precision we needed to manage the traffic in a town

I was not involved in the coding part for the GPS so I'm not sure how it work exactly.

I was just in the team making sure that no customer will be ever able to get a bus on time and at the right place :D

Our first demonstration were ... like my boss said :it's like looking at drunk ants :p

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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2003, 02:46:11 PM »
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Does that make Hans Blix the Ken Starr of the UN?

-Sik


Blix found more and spent less.


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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2003, 03:22:54 PM »
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Blix found more and spent less.


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ya think?

at what cost did his reports over the past 12 months come at?

do you think he'd be reading those reports if we didn't have 250,000 troops sitting over there? what did that cost? what does it cost everyday they are there? what he (blix) found is still in question what he spent is in the billions...
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Re: If you had a credible source I would believe it.
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2003, 05:17:46 PM »
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Originally posted by weazel
People with any common sense question anything FAUX News reports.

FAUX is about as credible a source as the National Enquirer.


Hey ah Weazel, wanna buy some tin foil hats?

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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2003, 05:41:07 PM »
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Blix didn't hid it it's in the freakin' report. What's the matter these people don't know to read?..

What's he supposed to do read the entire report page per page? Besides UAVs are not considered WMD.

Nice try Hortland... sheeeh..



Since these weren't UAVs like the ones we have but rather planes modified to fly under remote control outfitted with equipment to disperse chemical/biological agents, I think that's pretty much a WMD.  Even though it has no tactical use on a battlefield, any of these remote controlled planes has the range to reach most major capitals in the region.


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