Ok, at the very least.....

[AKDejaVu]

 

Lazs said:
couldn't we have all planes available at a field till all the hangers and all the fuel are gone?

 

Lazs later says:
In this new era of (choke) realistic strat we have decided to switch to whatever country still has dar and fuel.

ROTFLMAO!

AKDejaVu

[Graywolf]

lasz, I'll say this as politely as I can.

Give it a rest won't you? Almost every post I've seen from you basically says 'I want to furball all day and don't care about anything else, lets make it so fields can't be captured/closed so nothjing can stop me furballing all day'.

The Main arena isn't for that, it isn't meant to be 'historical' or 'realistic' it's just what it is. The vast majority of people seem to understand that and get on with the game of 'capture the airbases' which is what the Main Arean is all about, wether you like it or not.

If people want 'historical' they fly the scenarios. If you want enless furballing there is now an arena with an area expressly for that, go there. Please stop this constant going on about the same things and deal with the fact that the Main Arean is the Main Arena and isn't igoing to be (and in my opinion shouldn't) be changed along the lines you're suggesting.



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Graywolfe <tim@flibble.org>

[Wanker]

 

I wasn't aware that any operational ac were in hangers and that as soon as both hangers were destroyed they couldn't send up fighters.

Lazs, well ok, you got me on a technicality. I admit that all the planes at PH weren't lined up in two hangers, but they were grouped into huge "piles" sitting in the middle of the field, making it easy to take out the whole lot with a couple of well-placed bombs. I didn't include that explanation in my original post because I figured everyone knew what I meant.

If you're trying to end gimmicky play and head more toward making AH more "realistic", then I'm right with ya.

 

[lazs]

deja said.. "

                         quote:

                         Lazs said:
                         couldn't we have all planes available at a field till all the hangers and all the
                         fuel are gone?


                         quote:

                         Lazs later says:
                         In this new era of (choke) realistic strat we have decided to switch to
                         whatever country still has dar and fuel.


                    ROTFLMAO!"

you are easily amused for an amish guy deja.   I have no trouble imagining you as the mole in the "whack-o-mole" from your posts but ROTFLMAO.... doubt anyone believes that one but...

 If you are pointing out (as greywolf does) that i am consistent then I don't get the joke.   It seems to me that I am saying in both posts that i want to have fuel and fighter availability.   It would be best if the strat were a little less lopsided but switching countries will work as a last resort.   Everyone games the game in their own way it seems.

and wank... not really so much of a technicality as even that.. The U.S. was not even at war at the time.  the planes were lined up for inspection, something that would probly not be acceptable in a front line airfield latter on right?   As for realism... i only care about realistic flight models damage and gunnery.   More realistic strat is ok so long as it doesn't hurt gameplay (6 hour flights and never seeing an enemy your entire tour for instance).   We can never get realistic strat in such a small game so i will settle for balance.   If we get MORE realism at the same time that we get more balance.... so much the better.  We both come out good.
lazs

[Revvin]

Ah I give up, I can't be bothered trying to reason anymore with you Lazs and certainly not Apache as

1. I'm in my hotel room right no working away from home viewing on my laptop connecting through a toejamty 9600 baud infrared connection on my mobile phone

and..

2. Although on the face of it Lazs you seem to want a reasoned debate about this topic but then you clearly show as does Apache that you don't want bombers in the game at all...well I got news for you guys, this is the main arena so the bottom line is GO FLY IN THE DUELLING/FURBALL arena and let the rest of us guys play the sim as it was intended by HTC and thats with bombers in place and a certain level of strat.

I know now to ignore such posts about bombers and strat from you Lazs.

[Hooligan]

Revvin:

Let me restate the case:

The arena is a better place if it is more fun for all player types.  This means more players and the more players the better the game is for all.  Currently it is too easy to ruin the fun of the guys who just want to pit their fighter skills against other fighters.

There is no reason that I can think of that the arena design could not be changed so that it is consistently easy to get into dogfights that are not hugely one-sided and to also give the bomber/strat guys a rich variety of targets and goals.  Maybe it makes more sense for skilled buff usage to both rapidly capture terrain and cripple enemy buff availablity without hurting enemy fighter availability.

Hooligan

[Betown]

Don't Mess with revvin man.
He's a KILLER!!

[lazs]

revin if you want things to go all your way then no... we will probly not get along.   If  me advocating you having more targets to bomb and realistic bomb accuracy and realistic damage, including splash, means that i am totally against bombers in the game then so be it.....   Get the gimicky, concession ridden jokes and their silly bellybutton "strat" out of something that should be a sim.

If you want to talk about improving things for everyone tho.... then we can talk about it.
lazs

[easymo]

 You are going to have "strat" shoved down your throat laz. Might as well get use to it. The dueling arena shows how much anyone at HTC cares about furballs. In H2H there are more people using my pitiful attempts at arena building (walls) (2sides), then are using the dueling arena. I spent all of 15 min. on building them. If they wanted it to work all they have to do is put in one of Nutzz arenas and disable anything that shoots up, or backwards.

[lazs]

actually easy... I still believe there is room for everyone in the MA.   The balance is wrong now and I bet people realize it pretty soon.   It can work with a few concessions i think.
lazs

[Revvin]

<sigh> no I don't want it all my own way, I've already discussed toning down the buff guns in return for a slight increase in buff durability, I've also come up with a possible solution to the problem you see in the game but its still not good enough..why?...

Because all your discussion on strat is just plain BS double-talk downright misleading garbage..there can't say it any simpler than that. Time and time again you dangle the carrot and give the illusion that you want to discuss your perceived problem and yet underneath it all you just want bombers out of Aces High, you asked for a furball arena and you got it but hey thats not enough for Laz gimme gimme gimme you want it all the whole damn moon on a stick! HTC designed a WW2 flight sim...WW2 had bombers and so we have bombers and strat in Aces High and thats how it should be. If you want to talk about gamey and gimmicky things then its the BS 15 mins rebuild times of hangars that let you furballers get it all your own way and endlessy spawn like some deranged quake-o-maniac

You have a furball arena and you have 8-way H2H so give it a damned rest, the MA is there for the rest of us who want a more complete WW2 sim and not mindless quake in the sky!

[lazs]

rev said...."Because all your discussion on strat is just plain BS double-talk downright misleading
                    garbage..there can't say it any simpler than that. "

Yes.... you say it one hell of a lot plainer than that..... you can say EXACTLY what it is that you think is BS or "double talk"  or even misleading.....

Worse...The only person being misleading is you!    you are saying that i asked for a furball arena.   That is at the very least "misleading"  Truth is I have said over and over that I did not want a seperate arena and that seperate arenas do not work.   This is exactly the opposite of what you claim I have said.   One of us is wrong or a liar.  I prefer to think that you are simply mistaken and mis-spoke.  Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?
lazs

[pzvg]

Lazs, at the heart of this is you do not wish for the bombers to stop you from flying.
No matter what else is said, nor how it is said, you do not wish the bombers to impact
your fun.
You by inference do not wish the tanks to impact your fun, nor the field captures,nor the resets.
In short, you only want to fly fighters against fighters.
With that as a given I could understand your desire to change things to allow you your fun, but "perk jerks" "strat potatos" "buff dweebs" these are your terms I believe, terms that indicate an elitist attitude that anyone who doesn't wish for the game to be as you envision it should not be playing.
And you wonder why you draw flak? If anything, your attitude towards the rest of us (all of us, even the uncommitted ones) only invites any suggestion you make to be discredited at outset simply for you making it.
Free advice, even though I know you don't care what others say or think, gods know you've told us that too,
If you want change and you wish for others to agree, then do not start by insulting them. And try to suggest a change that is more amenable to improving the quality of the game, not merely your time in it.
I, like all of you, pay $30 bucks a month to enjoy a game, I do not see a notice that I must enjoy the game in any manner except that which is outlined in the terms of service. HTC gave us bombers,and tanks,and strat. Somehow I don't think they're ready to go and rip it all out to appease a minority opinion, no matter how vocal, or vulgar.
Thank you for your time.

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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[Revvin]

Its BS and double talk to say you want bombers in the game when every other post you make seems to be an attack on buffs, either you whine their gunners are too leathal or you whine they take too many hits...whine whine whine you want concession after concession made to make the game in the form you want, just one large H2H arena, that ain't what Aces High is about or there would be no bombers, there would be no destroyable targets and there would be no need for troop carriers.

I see the same thing over and over from guys like you and Apache who whine because buffs won't fly straight and level while you hit them with your turbo lazer death star BFG's, same old whine Lazs thats why its double talk because I've read one too many of your posts and they all sound the same.

[lazs]

rev... just as i thot... you are either an idiot, a liar or you have me confused with someone else.  I would hope it is the latter.  
pz.... your advise is worth every penny.   since you are also unable to come up with anything other than speculation as to what i think then i would hope that you also have me confused with someone else.   If you are interested in what i think then i would suggest yopu read what i write.   I believe that the suggestions i make would improve the game for everyone.   How do you feel that they wouldn't?   specifically that is.

It does amaze me that with such a clear position so plainly stated i can be misrepresented so badly.
lazs