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[Cabby44]

Air Force Base Authorizes 'deadly Force' Against Trespassing Protesters

The Associated Press
Published: Mar 15, 2003


 
VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (AP) - Security forces at Vandenberg Air Force Base are allowed to use "deadly force" in some cases if any anti-war demonstrators infiltrate the military complex, officials said.
Some anti-war activists have announced plans to trespass in hopes of disturbing Vandenberg's mission and to vandalize sensitive equipment they believe helps the war effort.

Vandenberg officials revealed Friday that military security police have always been allowed to shoot to kill, if necessary, to protect base residents and equipment.

It is more critical now that people understand the severity of that policy, a base spokeswoman said.

"This is not fun and games anymore," said Maj. Stacee Bako. "We're living in post 9-11. We don't know what's going to happen with the war effort in Iraq."

Military police will use their judgment, experience and training to determine if lethal force is necessary, she said.

"It's impossible for us to determine what their intent is," she said. "Are they protesters? Are there terrorists in that group and (do) they plan on killing everyone on base?"

The policy will not deter protesters, said Peter Lumsdaine of the Vandenberg Action Coalition, one of the organizers of the planned trespassing.

"I think it does underline that people in the nonviolent resistance movement are willing to take some risks," Lumsdaine said.

Glad to hear it, Lumsdaine.   To whom  can we mail your  posthumous "Darwin Award"??

Cabby

[weazel]

Itching to join in the shooting ehh cabby?

Don't forget your white sheet and hobnailed boots.

[midnight Target]

damn....

used to go to Point Sur beach all the time.. Its on Vandenburg property, but is one of the best on the Central Coast.

Will they shoot surfers?

[hawk220]

wouldn't it be easy for a terrorist, domestic or foriegn to enter a base during a protest where many are ripping down fences and making distractions? I think its reasonable that the military has explained what could happen if they climb onto the base. I also think its unreasonable to think the protestors have some unspoken exemption or protection just by virtue of their protesting.

[Sandman]

Security forces at Vandenberg Air Force Base are allowed to use "deadly force" in some cases...

Nothing new here. I assume that the Air Force treats security in much the same way the Navy does. Think of the security zones like an onion. The closer you get to the center, the likelihood that deadly force might be used against you increases. You'll know when you've exited one "layer" and entered another. There is typically a fence or a wall.

Just don't take it personal when Staff Sargent Iowafarmboy puts a bullet in your head. He's not playing around.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Will they shoot surfers?

one can only hope

[Tumor]

Nothing new or unusual here.  There are "Use of Deadly Force Authorized" sign's posted all over the U.S. at military facilities.  AF Security Forces go to great lengths to ensure these signs can not be missed by would be tresspassors, sabetours (etc etc).  

I was a Security Forces dude for 10yrs and have to say... anyone who thinks they are "just" signs with words are screwing with thier own destiny... SF is heavily armed and do not f***k around with what they've been designated to defend... and you better believe there are more than a few who have itchy trigger fingers.

[OZkansas]

Originally posted by hawk220
wouldn't it be easy for a terrorist, domestic or foriegn to enter a base during a protest where many are ripping down fences and making distractions? I think its reasonable that the military has explained what could happen if they climb onto the base. I also think its unreasonable to think the protestors have some unspoken exemption or protection just by virtue of their protesting.

Military is authorized to use deadly force now.  Heard it on CNN!

[blitz]

Will they use guns against peace people blockin US bases in Germany after the war has begun?


Regards Blitz



America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous

[Sandman]

Originally posted by OZkansas
Military is authorized to use deadly force now.  Heard it on CNN!

CNN just woke up to it... I'm willing to bet that there is absolutely no change in policy.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by blitz
Will they use guns against peace people blockin US bases in Germany after the war has begun?

I don't think you understood the post Blitz, they'll use deadly force to protect on base assets and operations. This isn't a new policy.

I'm sure the US will leave it up to the German government to handle any interference off-base. And I'd almost welcome German government interference, be a helluva lot less taxes comin' out of my pocket to defend you ingrates.

[blitz]

Originally posted by AKIron
I don't think you understood the post Blitz, they'll use deadly force to protect on base assets and operations. This isn't a new policy.

I'm sure the US will leave it up to the German government to handle any interference off-base. And I'd almost welcome German government interference, be a helluva lot less taxes comin' out of my pocket to defend you ingrates.

We are persistant, hope nobody of us doesn't join violence,(don't burn american flags, please), we won't avoid a war but we made our decision


Regards Blitz



Bush, please take ya soldiers back from Germany!
We loose lotsa money? Yeah, sure, but can't help about it.
Please use your new friends at Poland and Rumania to store your deadly load. Thx


America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous

[Saurdaukar]

So much for passive resistance.

Once "protestors" enter a United States military base with the intent to damage equipment or harm personell, they are no longer protestors, but attackers... to be dealt with accordingly, of course.

Warmongering protestors!!!  Wait...

[Ozark]

I was training airport fire crews at Whiteman AFB in Missouri a few months ago. The first thing I learned was, “Do not cross the Red Line”! It’s only common sense. Hey, the signs will tell you when you’re about to die. I assume the protesters can read.

Note: This was my first access to an Air Force Base. I was amazed that I was so close to the ammo bunkers. Just the thought that Nukes are just across the runway was a very sobering experience. Anyone with any common sense wouldn’t even try to access a restricted area.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Ozark
IIt’s only common sense. Hey, the signs will tell you when you’re about to die. I assume the protesters can read.

 

Same signs are on outside perimeter fence. If they have intent on disrupting anything, they will most likely get sentenced for few years on attempting to sabotage. Helpfully our boys will blow one of those morons’ head off and show example to other liberal rutabagas that type of behavior will not be tolerated.