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Offline Elfie

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« on: March 16, 2003, 05:34:42 PM »
Today while firing at a spit9 a *friendly* dives in from above and behind me right into my tracer stream.....saw him coming at the last second and let off the triggers but it was already to late. My FW's 4 20mm cannon ripped me to shreads.

Why should I have to pay for someone else's stupidity? Why should anyone else for that matter?

There has to be a better way than killing the plane thats shooting. ( I know kill shooter is suppossed to stop people from fragging teammates intentionally and in that regard it does what it was designed to do) However...what about the situation I described above? In real life the moron described above would have been removed from the gene pool....unable to pass along his defective genes to future generations.

What ideas do you guys have that would be viable alternatives to kill shooter? Let's give HTC some options for AH2.

I personally like the idea that if you kill a certain number of friendlies your country won't give you ammunition for 24 hours or so.


Throw out those ideas guys.


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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2003, 06:36:06 PM »
Read interview @ simhq,killshooter in AH2 is gone :)
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2003, 07:15:53 PM »
Sure, but once AH2 comes, then we'll be reading posts that say "Court martial needs to go away" because once again, they couldn't avoid hitting a friendly.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2003, 09:26:44 PM »
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Read interview @ simhq,killshooter in AH2 is gone :)


read that again.....only the mission arena won't have killshooter.

There has to be at least ONE alternative thats better than kill shooter, let's find it :)


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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2003, 09:55:19 PM »
Learning when to check-fire?

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2003, 11:37:39 PM »
I did check fire, still had bullets in the air. And I stated that in the original post :)

This original post was to look for viable alternatives to the kill shooter code, if you don't have anything constructive to say Chairboy please don't reply :)


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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2003, 11:45:56 PM »
Elfie,

You're situational awareness was inadequate.  If it had been adequate you would have checked fire before it was too late as you would have known that a friendly was about to do something stupid.
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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2003, 11:49:48 PM »
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Sure, but once AH2 comes, then we'll be reading posts that say "Court martial needs to go away" because once again, they couldn't avoid hitting a friendly.


Some might say that. However AH2:TOD is going to be a military sim, a court martial for friendly fire incidents is appropriate in that setting. AH2: Classic will still have kill shooter....unless.....we can come up with a better way that HTC likes :)


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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2003, 11:53:54 PM »
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Elfie,

You're situational awareness was inadequate.  If it had been adequate you would have checked fire before it was too late as you would have known that a friendly was about to do something stupid.


You can't always avoid Karnak, as hard as we try. Everyone's SA drops to one extent or another as you line up your shot, that's when you become vulnerable to kill shooter. :)


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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2003, 12:31:05 AM »
Elfie,

That is true, but cie le vie.  Shrug it off and go on.

Killshooter is the only method that I am aware of that both deals with the idiot factor and causes people to hold their fire (mostly) when a friendly is between them and the target.
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2003, 12:49:58 AM »
Dont know what kind of coding it would take but lets take Elfies case and say that Elfies bullets had no effect so there would be no killshooter...He shot all he wanted at a friendly and the only thing he would be in loss of would be ammo...
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2003, 08:04:34 PM »
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Dont know what kind of coding it would take but lets take Elfies case and say that Elfies bullets had no effect so there would be no killshooter...He shot all he wanted at a friendly and the only thing he would be in loss of would be ammo...


That would create a gameplay mechanism to make the fights less realistic than they are now.

In reality you checked your fire to save your buddy's life.  Here you do it to safe your life.  In both cases you check your fire when around friendlies.

Take that away and everybody'll just blaze away at the con at the front of the line, shooting around friendlies without thinking.  That in no way bears a resemblance to real air combat.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2003, 12:19:13 PM »
Karnak your own bullets killing you in no way resembles real air combat either.

What if our bullets could damage friendlies?......We would need some sort of penalty for killing a friendly then.  

If we could damage friendlies you wouldn't see 5 guys all spraying hot lead trying to hit one target w/o regard for friendly fire.

What penalty could we impose if you killed a friendly guys? Help me out here :)


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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2003, 12:46:46 PM »
a 24 hr ban, i'd think i'd rather have my tail fall off
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2003, 12:15:44 AM »
How about your ammo and the ammo of the guy who dove in front of you are both turned to rubber bullets for the remainder of that flight?

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