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Offline ygsmilo

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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2003, 03:37:22 PM »
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 Of course it is not. America is threatened by France and Germany having created a currency that can displace dollar as world reserve money. Iraq is just a guy who first refused to accept dollar for oil in favor of Euro. For setting that precedent he must be shot. $500 billion a year of free foreign goods obtained in excange for dull-colored paper will be in danger if we let him defy us. That $500 bil is probably 25% of our real GDP or more, once the crap used to pad it is removed.

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Interesting,,,, what is the Euro based on?  The US dollar is based on the US Govt- ie. US treasury bonds.  Look at the spread between German/French gov bonds vrs. US T-bonds.  Especially short term yield curve.  Then tell me if you would rather have your "cash" in the Euro.

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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2003, 03:41:30 PM »
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No, it is an insult to your government, please read twice.

I didn't say Bush & Crew didn't care about the victims of 11/9 .
But these folks are professionals, they know pretty well how use such an horrible day .

Just as politicians use nature cathastrophes for their advantage to be reelected.
Be at the place, show emotion, shake some hands....
It's called politics.


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America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous


You don't like what we are doing, do something about it.   I'd love the opportunity to kick some German butt.

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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2003, 03:51:48 PM »
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You don't like what we are doing, do something about it.   I'd love the opportunity to kick some German butt.



I did my friend.

Was with the peacemarchers in feb, was with the candle light queueon saturday, try to stay informed all my live.
Yes, i know i'm a godam appeaser :D


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America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2003, 04:07:09 PM »
who started firing at planes in the no-fly zone anyway....

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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2003, 04:07:58 PM »
lol blitz they are so pathetic LOL

welcome to the club mate ... some freaking lame wanted to kill me via UBB as well, few hours ago ... they are so lucky, that eastern europian arent allowed to visit US freely, coz i would like to see those brave patriots behind keyboard :D
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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2003, 04:08:47 PM »
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Was with the peacemarchers in feb, was with the candle light queue


f*cking hippie

..oh almost forgot
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2003, 04:09:28 PM »
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who started firing at planes in the no-fly zone anyway....


egg or chicken ?

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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2003, 04:15:47 PM »
ygsmilo: Interesting,,,, what is the Euro based on?  The US dollar is based on the US Govt- ie. US treasury bonds.  Look at the spread between German/French gov bonds vrs. US T-bonds.  Especially short term yield curve.  Then tell me if you would rather have your "cash" in the Euro.

 Nothing. Just like dollar. I am not talking about rates this week but about global picture.
 US bond yields have the same relation to reality as NASDAQ level had in 2000.

 Foreign countries hold about 4 trillion of US debt. And how many trillions of dollars as their "currency reserves"? They have no chance to buy anything worthwhile for that money - otherwise we would not have this huge trade deficit, so why do thy still accept $500 billion a year in exchange for goods? What happens if they just stop taking it, not even dump it back causing the major drop in dollar and enormous inflation here?
 Do you know how much dollar has to drop to correct $500 billion in trade imbalance?
 US lost the backing for it - the soviet threat, the industrial dominance, the technological dominance. We control nothing that would make them accept dollars.

 It need not necessarly be Euro - that is just the first challenger - they may try to replace some reserves with yuan, or gold or anything else. The dollar is not good because they are holding it - but because they keep accepting it and accumulating it.

 Once we hold our hand on a world's oil spigot, they will have to continue. Simple as that.

 miko

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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2003, 04:21:16 PM »
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Nothing. Just like dollar. I am not talking about rates this week but about global picture.
 US bond yields have the same relation to reality as NASDAQ level had in 2000.

 Foreign countries hold about 4 trillion of US debt. And how many trillions of dollars as their "currency reserves"? They have no chance to buy anything worthwhile for that money - otherwise we would not have this huge trade deficit, so why do thy still accept $500 billion a year in exchange for goods? What happens if they just stop taking it, not even dump it back causing the major drop in dollar and enormous inflation here?
 Do you know how much dollar has to drop to correct $500 billion in trade imbalance?
 US lost the backing for it - the soviet threat, the industrial dominance, the technological dominance. We control nothing that would make them accept dollars.

 It need not necessarly be Euro - that is just the first challenger - they may try to replace some reserves with yuan, or gold or anything else. The dollar is not good because they are holding it - but because they keep accepting it and accumulating it.

 Once we hold our hand on a world's oil spigot, they will have to continue. Simple as that.

 miko


Good valid points but the real issue is liquidity.  Thats why the dollar has the power it does.  I would disagree with the statement that currencies are based on nothing- they are notes based on the "value" of the issueing country especially since the dollar was decoupled from the gold standard ( which is another 100 page thread in its own right )  The value of those currencies are linked back by the countries abilty to service its debt ie bonds and other gov. paper.  Arb is the word when it comes to the dollar/Euro.
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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2003, 04:21:27 PM »
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 Once we hold our hand on a world's oil spigot, they will have to continue. Simple as that.

 miko


finaly someone who know something about world economy
any other whinne about war agains terrorists or islam ?

no ?

If you realy dont know what was official purpose to build al qaida, be ready to hell if you will try to stay in Iraq w/o UN

and UN isnt about to play game for your profit

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« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2003, 04:23:42 PM »
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f*cking hippie

..oh almost forgot
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Welcome, my communist friend :D



Regards Blitz



America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous

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« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2003, 04:27:08 PM »
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lol blitz they are so pathetic LOL

welcome to the club mate ... some freaking lame wanted to kill me via UBB as well, few hours ago ... they are so lucky, that eastern europian arent allowed to visit US freely, coz i would like to see those brave patriots behind keyboard :D


I served my country behind a gun long before I bought my first keyboard.

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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2003, 04:30:02 PM »
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Welcome, my communist friend :D


Yeah, everyone who knows me knows all about my communist sympathies. -Imagine rolleyes emoticon here-

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« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2003, 04:32:11 PM »
hehe
i wasnt so brain washed, so i didnt serve my country with gun
somehow im not about to kill from will of someone else

but you are dong great thing mate
a lot people in Komunist countries was proud to live there and proud to die for ideas.... yeah yeah and they was all free as well :D

you are so diferent, so go go go

:D :D
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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2003, 04:34:58 PM »
euro bellybutton clowns LOL