Author Topic: Need help from 109Gx experten! (Read 3878 times)

Heinkel · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:44:17 AM »

It's a common mistake that people call it Franz. It's 100% defintally Fritz.

Batz · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:47:42 AM »

I'll dig out my books when I get from work but I am 100% correct.

In the mean time go over to Butch's site and ask.

GScholz · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:51:44 AM »

Ok, I can be wrong, I'm certainly not an expert on the subject. I just find it strange that "Franz" is used so much in aircraft history circles, and sims. Even Air Warrior called it "Franz". These people should know better I suppose. I will call it "Fritz" from now on ... just to be sure

Batz · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:04:41 AM »

"Fritz" is shorthand for "Friedrich".

You can call it Franz is you want but as ccvi pointed out Franz was widely used aviator slang referring to the navigator on multi crewed planes.

Thus:

"verfranzen", "to franz off" = "to make a navigational error and get lost"

GScholz · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:21:07 AM »

I'll take your word for it. "Fritz" it is. Still love the damn thing!

beet1e · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2003, 12:31:13 PM »

Gentlemen! Thanks for your posts.

Yes, the TRIM issue. I have a MSW Prec Pro stick, and I don't have a trim slider, but I have set the two small thumb control buttons to trim up and trim down - see pic.

Batz - I viewed the film - thanks. Yes, that's the kind of thing I'm doing.

Lots of advice - greatly appreciated - but only one .AHF film so far. Start shooting them (films as well as cons!) and post'em to me.

wetrat · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2003, 02:21:35 PM »

The G10 is 10 times the plane the dora is 1v1. It climbs better, turns better, accelerates better.. The only way a dora will out turn you is gas, but he'd need to have a sliver left and you need to keep your DT.. heh. Even then a dora out turning you sustained is a stretch. If you're going faster to begin with, his initial turn radius will be smaller.. Or if he starts turning and you start making a turn when he's almost perpendicular to you, then he'll out turn you. Any other way, you'll turn better.

My advice is to just find a member of the "109Gx experten" and ask them to go to the DA with you. Depending on who you're with, you can probably get the said "experten" to tell you what you're doing wrong.

beet1e · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2003, 06:08:25 PM »

wetrat - OK, so if the G10 is 10 times better than a Dora, you should be able to find one to kill quite easily in a 1v1. Do that, film it of course, and send the film to me.

Curval · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2003, 06:17:52 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
It's all in the trimming Beet1e

It sure is Gscholtz...it sure is

wetrat · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:11:33 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
wetrat - OK, so if the G10 is 10 times better than a Dora, you should be able to find one to kill quite easily in a 1v1. Do that, film it of course, and send the film to me.

Ok, next time I get Urchin in the DA I'll do a G10 vs dora and film it.

Urchin · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2003, 12:24:19 AM »

My take on it is that the 109G10 is probably one of the best 1v1 planes we have in the game. It has an advantage over every other plane we have- the advantage might be different for each plane, but it does have an 'edge' over them. It is just a matter of flying the G10 to its strengths and not to your opponents. Now, in a typical MA environment it isn't so good. It lacks the firepower for a 'quick kill' (unless you get VERY good with the 30mm, and with that it lacks endurance, the gondolas just hurt performance to much to be worth it), turning and manueverability is good but not great, and you can't really get super fast for perpetual bore n zooming (because of poor high speed handling).

The Dora is a superb plane for the MA, but it is less good than the G10 for a 1v1 fight. The Dora packs enough firepower for a 'quick kill' (think 1 pass, cherry-pick, whatever), it has good high speed handling so you can stay a lot faster than the people you are bore n zooming, and it is fast enough to run away from most planes. On the down side, manueverability is just atrocious compared to the G10 (at anything less than high speed, where the G10 will be starting to 'lock up').

A well flown Dora can surprise a lot of planes in a 1v1, but a well flown G10 is just about untouchable by anything other than a Spit 9.

beet1e · « **Reply #26 on:** March 20, 2003, 02:42:58 AM »

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the gondolas just hurt performance to much to be worth it

Hmmph... I've been using the gondolas. Otherwise you have only 150 cannon rounds. The Dora has what - 600? But OK. I'm just about to try it out again on a gondola-free flight. I've got my trimming controls set up properly now too. Never needed that with any other plane (just used auto-speed and auto angle).

Batz · « **Reply #27 on:** March 20, 2003, 07:53:53 AM »

Never use gondolas

I only fly the g6 g10 with 30mm

my hit % is at 14.xx this tour

since I came back to ah I mostly fly the g6 and I'm 103 kills and 14 deaths in the g6 since I came back to ah.

The g6 is the worse 109 to fly in the main (well the 109e is but it sux alround).

The 109 series are dogfighters they just arent turn fighters. Maintaining an energy advantage coupled with its climb and acceleration you should be able to handle most planes.

And Urchin is Correct a g10 can handle a d9 in a 1 v 1, unless the d9 dives and runs which he will do in the main.

hblair · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2003, 08:20:07 AM »

The 109g10 is a very capable MA furballer as well as a 1v1 fighter. If flown right. The key is sticking to it, learning to deal with the compression issues and using her strengths. (she is a lady ya know;))

beet1e · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2003, 08:20:50 AM »

I did a few gondola-free sorties this morning. I fired only the cannon, and not the BBs. I was a little disappointed at their effectiveness. I gave a B26 a long burst (or as long as you dare with only 150 rounds) but only damaged it. However, I was able to ping out AKAK's P38 engines a couple of times.

But I did notice that the plane performed much better without the gondolas.

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And Urchin is Correct a g10 can handle a d9 in a 1 v 1, unless the d9 dives and runs which he will do in the main.

Yes, just as I was able to handle the situation in that fight with TAK. But with the gondolas om board, I could not bring my pipper onto the target quickly enough, and he kept diving and running. Was fun though.