Author Topic: Either for/against (Read 1100 times)

Naso · « **Reply #30 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:27:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
put up or shut up

send your troops & hardware not your well wishes...

Italian troops are operating in Afganistan, near the border with Pakistan.

In an operation autorized by UN.

This war is not autorized by UN, and I dont see reasons why not call it an aggression.

But this does'nt mean that I wish for the bigger number possible of US/UK/AUS soldiers to survive, as much I wish the same for Iraqi soldiers and civilians.

Why?

Because they are all human beings, and be killed in something like all this, is a waste of precious human lives.

You disagree with this?

Naso · « **Reply #31 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:33:24 AM »

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Originally posted by ra
Naso,

Forgive me for not knowing already, but your location says Italy. Which war did Italy lose 20 million in?

You said Euros....

Italy is in Europe...

We are Europeans.

So far...

Rasker · « **Reply #32 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:33:48 AM »

look, Saddam will soon be gone, and I hope that we as citizens of free countries can go beyond temporary disagreements and hopefully work together thru our respective governments on such things as Iraq's rebuilding, Afghanistan's rebuilding and a comprehensive Middle Eastern peace.

ra · « **Reply #33 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:43:36 AM »

OK, I get it Naso. Well, the 'Euros' were kind enough to invite the US into that war, to die along side them.

If your message is that war is bad, it may suprise you to know that Americans know that too. But 'war is bad' is not in itself a policy.

ra

SLO · « **Reply #34 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:46:09 AM »

ok no finger pointing.....no name calling....

I have read on this board many many American POV's about his upcoming conflict.....

since most are americans on this board...thats understandable

do I agree.....some yes.....some no.....

America is probably the only nation left in this world that can cross oceans and give ya a good beating....thats a FACT.

MOST countries in this world COULD NOT do that.....so the question is....what tool can they use to protect there interests or voice there opinions....you know that answer, even if ya don't like it....it won't change that FACT.....

now as a country who DOESN'T need the UN...does that mean you can DISREGARD it.....my opinion....NO.....its bad GEO politics...try and look at it from the other side of the fence please.....hard I know.....but ya have ta:p

thats where my problem lies with Dubya's Geo Politics.....disregarding the only tool to voice there opinions is bad politics....FACT.....

Do I agree with France Germany Russia.....to a certain point YES

I woulda let a little more time for inspections....some of ya will really bash me for it...i can feel toad's fingers already typin:D ......but thats just my opinion....inspect instead of dead.....but now France and really this 1 is diff. to understand...Germany....shoul d back up the US....now that the DEBATING is over.....

now that there really really gonna do it.....as a neighbor and biggest trade partner...I wish my govr' would support the US.....even if they did bash my only recourse to voice my opinion.....in my book....ya never never leave your friends alone....even if you disagree.

these are just opinions from someone OUTSIDE your country....no bashing please

Naso · « **Reply #35 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:57:39 AM »

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Originally posted by ra
OK, I get it Naso. Well, the 'Euros' were kind enough to invite the US into that war, to die along side them.

Sorry for that, well, the invitation was sent by the Japan.

Anyway was a big mess, and I like the fact that you stated "die along side", when there's a lot of people stating that "only US people died for that war", or something similar

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If your message is that war is bad, it may suprise you to know that Americans know that too. But 'war is bad' is not in itself a policy.

ra

War is a choise, an option, and rarely the better, or wiser one.

There are nations that have choised to elect war as policy, in the past, and in 20th century we had a huge example.

Look what they (well, us

) have caused.

We want to repeat history?

Anyway what is really sad is that a post with the intentions to share some toughts about people risking to lose their lives, has been transformed again in a pissing contest.

ra · « **Reply #36 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:11:11 AM »

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Sorry for that, well, the invitation was sent by the Japan.

Actually, it was sent by Germany. Japan invited us to another war. We were very popular in those days.

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We want to repeat history?

No. But if Hussein has WMD then not going in would be much more costly than going in. The last gulf war never ended, only a cease fire. With 9/11 we now know that Hussein could use the international terror network to hit us with WMD, if he chose to. I know he is no fan of Islamic radicals, but there is nothing preventing him from using their services against a common enemy. And there is nothing the UN can do to prevent such a scenario.

UN 1441 is all the cover the US and her allies need, IMHO.

ra

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #37 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:14:19 AM »

We're all gonna die pretty soon anyway. Our numbers are crippling the earth's ability to sustain us.

We are talking decades, not millenia.

"All human life is precious"... right up to the point there's barely any food left and we're all fighting each other for scraps.

Gets kind of redundant to say those things when it's more than evident we're on our last leg on this planet.

Pollution won't kill us, wars won't kill us... famine caused by overpopulation IS going to kill us, and soon.
-SW

Naso · « **Reply #38 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:20:58 AM »

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Originally posted by ra
Actually, it was sent by Germany. Japan invited us to another war. We were very popular in those days.

Funny, in our vision of the same history, was the same war.

JimBear · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:21:07 AM »

Dont think there was ever a nation in existance that during times of peace, the old "Dogs and Soldiers Keep off the Grass" sign wasnt hung out.

Naso · « **Reply #40 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:27:18 AM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
We're all gonna die pretty soon anyway. Our numbers are crippling the earth's ability to sustain us.

We are talking decades, not millenia.

"All human life is precious"... right up to the point there's barely any food left and we're all fighting each other for scraps.

Gets kind of redundant to say those things when it's more than evident we're on our last leg on this planet.

Pollution won't kill us, wars won't kill us... famine caused by overpopulation IS going to kill us, and soon.
-SW

As far I remember (if memory helps me), a calculation put the "sustaining" limit to a rough 9 billion people, something of the line of 50 years, if China does'nt stop birth control.

Problem now is basicly distribution, (almost everything in our rich countries, and nothing in the third world) bad distribution of resources and knowledges.

I have to shut PC now, but I guess some more info can be found in FAO site, I remember some calculation was made couple of years ago.

Anyway not a good reason to play lemmings, no?

Monk · « **Reply #41 on:** March 19, 2003, 11:28:32 AM »

I hope we all can live in peace............CRAP!, I think I burnt my fingers typing that.

ra · « **Reply #42 on:** March 19, 2003, 12:07:15 PM »

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"All human life is precious"... right up to the point there's barely any food left and we're all fighting each other for scraps.

I'll be OK, cause I eat FAST.

Do a google search on Malthus if you want to read more about how we have all already starved to death long ago.

ra

funkedup · « **Reply #43 on:** March 19, 2003, 12:13:14 PM »

Yeah Malthus got 0wn3d.

~~Cyrano~~

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #44 on:** March 19, 2003, 12:31:25 PM »

I really don't care, it was a diversionary tactic.

This war BS has gone on long enough, it's going to happen, lets talk about something else grim for a change.

Like how plagues and famine tend to wipe out a good amount of the human population whenever we get close to overpopulation.
-SW