Unfair engine mute "cheat"

[Revvin]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The debate is whether or not this is even a gamey "tweak" in the first place.  I can't imagine that someone with already excellent SA would gain some advantage from this.  And if it aids those with piss poor SA?  More power to them, I guess, but I have my doubts.  Frankly, I'd just find it more confusing in a furball environment than helpful.

A simple fix would be to tie external sound volume to the engine sound volume if it truly is an enormous problem that destroys the so-called level playing field.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Some players even good ones will do anything to get that extra edge, it's just human nature.

I think your suggestion is the quickest and easiest way to stop this happening.

[Flossy]

ROFL!  I've always used very low volume engine sounds since first starting in AW.... helps to hear vox - as well as enemy (and friendly!) planes.  

[Grimm]

I normally I have my external sounds cranked to 100%  Iv got alot of the others down around 50%.   I  turn up my volume to where I can hear the VOX clearly,  Then I adjust my own engine down to nice level where I can still get the feeling of flight, yet its not driving me nutz.  

The External sounds are great when your in a dogfight,  I hear the enemy louder than I might in real life, but it adds to the drama like in a movie.    

I couple times Iv been saying hello to folks flying along, being my good natured self,  when some enemy sneaks up on me.  

I then am clued in by the sound that someone is closing on my six, and I check and its an enemy.   I then attempt to break and throw off his shot.  The problem is, by the time I do that... He has already killed me.    

The distance you can tell someone is coming is really pretty small.

Perhaps the guys you were sneaking up on.. actually knew you were there and waited till you closed to break?  

Try Commanding an operation from the bridge of a CV and using vox.  Its enough to make you nuts if cant turn down the exteral engine sounds.  

HTC has given us some great tools to help make the game playable.   I dont fault anyone for using them.

[Grimm]

Another thing...

In WW2 didnt these guys were headsets to talk on radios and such?

Have you ever operated Heavy equipment with ear protection on?   One thing that happens is all the white noises of your engine and machine are muffled.   BUT you can hear other noises more clear.    Guys here a work will put on ear protection in the loaders and things because its easier to listen to music on the radio.  

I wonder if the same would happen with headsets on, if it might muffle some of the engine sounds,  yet allow other sounds to be heard more clearly...

[Kanth]

there was a guy???  why didn't you check 6 me??

don't you know you are responsible for my SA!!

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Chute?!?  You shoulda turned off your engine sounds so you could have heard that guy coming!

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Urchin]

I actually do this- it does help sometimes.  I've got my engine sound around 30%, and external up to 100.  I do keep my sound down relatively low though (overall) so it isnt blowing out my eardrums.  

It does help- if you lose sight of someone in a dogfight you can usually still hear them (of course, most people can also surmise where the bandit is based on his direction last time they saw him).  

It doesn't do a whole lot for getting bounced.  Typically if you get bounced you aren't really paying attention anyway, and by the time you hear the engine noise (which btw kicks in at about 800 yards, not 200) you are usually about a second away from getting blasted anyway.

[airbumba]

Originally posted by Grimm
Another thing...



Have you ever operated Heavy equipment with ear protection on?   One thing that happens is all the white noises of your engine and machine are muffled.   BUT you can hear other noises more clear.    Guys here a work will put on ear protection in the loaders and things because its easier to listen to music on the radio.  

Another operator, good man. I just recently started wearing them little bud phones under my ear muffs, when i'm in a wide open area of course.

That reminds me of when i first started operating loaders, i was in a JD 544 and backed right into a ten wheeler with a float, popping my left rear tire..lol. I coulda used a check six then.hehe.

I'll cya in Guadalcanal Grimm.

Airbumba

[vorticon]

lol...funniest thread EVER

5 originality

10 hilarious

[J_A_B]

Beet1e, I think it's far more likely that these guys just see you comming.  It's not terribly hard to check the low-6 position.  

Listening for sound would make for a lousy warning device because it doesn't differentiate between friend or foe, and kicks in at too short of a range.


OTOH, it makes sense to tie external engine volume to internal engine volume as Todd/DMF suggested.

J_A_B

[Wlfgng]

lol  I thought EVERYone did this !  

as soon as we had external engine sounds I did this because I liked the sounds...
not very realistic that way though

[Grimm]

That what I like...  I think actually being able to here your opponet has he passes by nearly nose to nose is very dramatic.  

Iv had guests in the room and the sounds boosted up makes them very interested.    

Lets face it, its never going to be totaly realistic... Fun has to come into play at some point  

I think this is just getting picky...  Who gets to decided how much each person can hear in each a/c ..   I dont think this affects good SA.   If you cant fight guys with good SA.   I guess you sould consider more training.

[MANDOBLE]

beet1e, I'm impressed. How have u come to that conclussion? It is really brilliant. But, IMO, that may be 1 out of 200 cases.

BTW, some players just wait till the last moment to break hard, just to difficult a last deflexion shoot. That doesnt mean they have not noticed your presence much earlier.

[ASASIN]

Beetle, I've had people call cheat saying no way you knew i was there. With Inflight radar you atleast know con in sector. with view adjustments you can see out planes well enough to see low 6 con with slight flight adjustments. 38 might be diff because views tough.  But you can bet if its a halfway good player he watches dar and his 6.

[SunKing]

I do something similar to what Beetle is crying about.  I turn down all my sounds to 75% . And turn alll outside sounds to 100%. It sounds more "real" When that bomb lands near you and feel it through the woofer. Or hearing those bombs whistling in.  The games sounds so much better when the outside sounds are louder than your engine or tank tread sounds.

Toggle your engine helps in another way, when dogfighting another con, I can hear his engine die, letting me know the fight is won sooner.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Ghosth
You saying a real life pilot in a real p51 couldn't crack his cockpit & idle back for a second to listen for enemys? Can you prove that this never happened once?

are you joking?

now I have hollered at the ground in a cub with the side open and heard my wife hollering back.

But think about it in a p51, you would have to shut it down, pop canopy, slow to a speed that wont knock your ears off(less 150?) that dont sound like smarts in combat.  

kinda hard thing to prove also...