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« Reply #105 on: April 01, 2003, 06:39:30 AM »
Taken from Hitech's sticky post:

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Laughing at the death of any human being is not acceptable behavior.


This certainly qualifies as bad taste.
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« Reply #106 on: April 01, 2003, 08:17:42 AM »
all this whineing about what took place 2000 years ago is a joke. We are not even 100 percent sure it even happened or what happened. Plus the fact the jews were displaced by an army that conquered them, the romans. The Palistinians took that land fair and square 1000's of years ago get over it. Having the UN and US come in and tell them it is now Isreal and belongs to a different group of people basicly because we wanted an ally in the middile east was just poor judgment morally. If we go on the basis that "it used to belong to the jews" then hell why dont we have a UN resolution giving texas and most of the southwest back to mexico.

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« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2003, 08:21:56 AM »
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Having the UN and US come in and tell them it is now Isreal... basicly because we wanted an ally in the middile east was just poor judgment morally.  


I think if you look at the discussions about Palestine around the end of the war, the decision was not based on "wanting an ally in the ME".

The decision was made because of the genocide the Jews suffered in Europe. There was strong feeling to give them a homeland for that reason.

Further, we already HAD allies in the ME at the time.
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« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2003, 10:25:07 AM »
naw that british were bailing out of there in the 40's

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« Reply #109 on: April 01, 2003, 11:15:33 AM »
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then hell why dont we have a UN resolution giving texas and most of the southwest back to mexico.


News for ya, we are.
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« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2003, 12:09:06 PM »
Do you know what year Saudi Aramco was founded?

Check on who helped who down there during WW2... the years immediately prior to the creation of an independent Israel.
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« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2003, 12:18:03 PM »
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who spoiled that chance?? a Jew from brooklyn walked into a mosque in jerusalem and gunned down about 20 praying moslems.

rat bastard.

where is he now?


Too bad he ran out of ammo.

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« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2003, 02:28:50 PM »
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Too bad he ran out of ammo.


Just to be clear for people who don't know much about the incident, Baruch Goldstein walked in to a mosque in Hebron in 1994, and shot dead 29 unarmed people whilst they were praying. It was done in protest at the signing of the Oslo accords.

And rc51 obviously supports mass murder, based on ethnic lines. What does that make him?

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« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2003, 02:34:53 PM »
A complete and utter banana.
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« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2003, 02:53:51 PM »
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Too bad he ran out of ammo.


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« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2003, 04:09:25 PM »
See what I meant Nashwan therw plenty lke rc51 out there that would just as well exterminate the palestinians..

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Again ... where was it mentioned otherwise?


Arlo you cut n pasted your "history lesson" in reply to my challenge to xlee who implied the Romans did the samething the Zionists are doing to the palestinians, as if that made it right.

You cut n pasted stuff out context but I presume you reply was to show that the Romans did that. After all you quoted me. The Romans ruthlessly put down a rebelion. Just like they had done in difference provinces. Theres was nothing unique about what they did in 70ce. When Jerusalem was sacked many jews fled out of fear. Then muslims and arabs over centuries moved in. There were still Jews in Palestine, some very helpful to the romans even after the 64-68ce revolt.

If you werent cuttin' n' pastin' that lesson to disprove what I said then why paste it?

Israel has made peace with the with most of its neighbors and pacified lebannon to a degree. The Zionist arent pushing their borders back to create a buffer zone between their enemies. They are building settlement in areas they have occuppied which were never a part of Israel at its creation. They continue bulldoze palestinians homes, build settlements on the land occupied and deny any semblence of basic human rights to those palestinians under their control.

The fact is that Israel kills more palestinian civilians the suicide nail bombers do Israelis.

You cant hardly expect a child whos father was rounded up, whos brother or cousin or uncle was killed by Israelis to go through life smiling at his plight. He will strike with the tools he has. He is already properly motivated way before religion and or other influences send him over the edge.

Arlo do search on Zionist terror against Britain in the late 40s. The link has been posted many times by Nashwan and
others.

Yes you still have backwards, Palestinians have no way to fight back or destroy Israel. Any terrorism by palestinians has been in reponse to actions by Israel.


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The decision was made because of the genocide the Jews suffered in Europe. There was strong feeling to give them a homeland for that reason.


Thats a bit simplistic toad.

Israel wasnt created out of the guilt of ww2, it certainly earned support because of it. There was a terror campaign by Zionist in palestine against the British who wanted out. Also wealthy jews from America and else where were smuggling in displaced persons (Jews) from Europe at the end of ww2. Basically because most other nations wouldnt take them. There was going to be a Jewish State whether the world wanted it or not.

The fact remains the palestinians are the ones suffering at the hands of Zionism. It has nothing to do with Israels right exist any more. Those wars were fought and  Israel won. But for peace to come then Israel will have make the effort. Palestinian extremists will always use the desperate to carry out acts of terror. Get rid of desperation and allow those palestinians to have a sense of Future.

Bulldozing their homes, denial of basic rights, indiscriminate killing of the innocent will never bring peace.

So it goes back to either you exterminate all the palestinians like rc51 and Sharon would do. Or make changes necessary that allows a greater possibility for peace.

Wanted to get a reply in before it gets locked so I may have missed a bit but do you search on previous threads like this.

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« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2003, 07:04:34 PM »
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Would you maybe explain how Israel was created after WWII (the whole England gave the Arab's their heavy weapons and military bases), and why they now hold these settlements that are much disputed? (6 day war etc)  


Lute, I don't claim to be an expert .... I just dislike people who condenscendingly tell others to read a history book when they, themselves, apparently have tunnel vision when it comes to history. In this case ... anyone with a rudimentary Christian education knows of the Roman occupation of Israel before and during the life of Jesus of Nazareth. Few seem to realize, however, that the Romans did indeed attempt to "eradicate Israel" in the first century.

As far as contemporary Israeli history is concerned - I hold with the following:

Modern Israeli History[/size]
Dr. Kenneth Johnson

After Germany started WWI the Ottoman Empire entered the war on Germany's side. At the end of the war Britain was given the mandate over the middle east. Britain took control of the territory of the Ottoman empire dividing it into small states. Jordan was artificially created by Britain in 1920. Iraq became independent in 1932, and Kuwait in 1961. On November 2, 1917, Lord James Balfour, Foreign Secretary of the British government, wrote to Lord Rothschild, chairman of the British Zionist Federation, stating:

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a home for the Jewish people. And will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object. It being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine. Or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be greatful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation."
 
This document became known as "The Balfour Declaration" General Edmund Allenby was assigned commander in chief of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force in 1917, he led an offensive against the Turkish armies in the Middle East, capturing Jerusalem without firing a shot on December 10, 1917. His crowning victory was at Megiddo (also called Armageddon) in September 1918. Shortly thereafter Turkey capitulated. In 1920 the Mandate over Palestine (both sides of the Jordan river) was given to England by the allied Council. In 1922 the British mandate over Palestine was ratified by the new League of Nations. England then divided Palestine (46,049 sq. miles) at the Jordan river. The eastern part was named Transjordan (77% of the land.) It was created to be a Palestinian Arab state. The western part retained the name of Palestine. (23% of the land.) It was created to be a home land for the Jews. In 1939-1945 Hitler, in his final solution to the world's problems, tried to destroy the Jewish people. By the end of the war over 6,000,000 Jews were dead. At the wars end Britain relinquishes the mandate to the United Nations. In 1948 the United Nations adopted a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. David Ben-Gurion became Israel's first prime minister who, eight hours before the formal end of the mandate, officially announced Israel's independence on May 14, 1948. Immediately the new state was attacked by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. Saudi Arabia then joined the war and a few days later so did Yemen. When the War of Independence was over Israel was in control of over 8,000 sq. miles (17%) instead of the 6,200 (13%) that the United Nations planned. Jerusalem remained a divided city with the western wall under control of the Arabs. In 1950 Transjordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem and in 1953 Transjordan changed its name to Jordan.

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In 1956 the Suez-Sinai War Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip, from which Arab guerrillas raided southern Israel and blockaded Israeli shipping in the Suez Canal and Gulf of Aqaba. Great Britain, France and Israel planned a joint military campaign against Egypt with the understanding that Israel would take the initiative by seizing the Sinai Peninsula. The war began on Oct. 29, after an announcement that the armies of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan were to be integrated under the Egyptian commander in chief. Israel's Operation Kadesh, commanded by Moshe Dayan, lasted less than a week; its forces reached the eastern bank of the Suez Canal in about 100 hours, seizing the Gaza Strip and nearly all the Sinai Peninsula. The Sinai operations were supplemented by an Anglo-French invasion of Egypt on November 5, giving the allies control of the northern sector of the Suez Canal. The war was halted by a UN General Assembly resolution calling for withdrawal from Egyptian territory. They also established a UNEF to replace the allied troops on the Egyptian side of the borders in Suez, Sinai, and Gaza.

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In May 1967, when Egyptian forces massed in Sinai, the UN ordered the UNEF to leave Sinai and Gaza. The Gulf of Aqaba was closed again to Israeli shipping. At the end of May, Egypt and Jordan signed a new defense pact placing Jordan's armed forces under Egyptian command. With war inevitable, Israeli Premier Levi ESHKOL, Minister of Defense Moshe Dayan, and Army Chief of Staff Yitzhak RABIN approved preemptive Israeli strikes at Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, and Iraqi airfields on June 5, 1967. This began "the Six Day War." By the evening of June 6, Israel had destroyed the combat effectiveness of the major Arab air forces. Israel also swept into Sinai, reaching the Suez Canal and occupying most of the peninsula in less than four days. King Hussein of Jordan rejected an offer of neutrality and opened fire on Israeli forces in Jerusalem on June 5. But a lightning Israeli campaign placed all of Arab Jerusalem and the Jordanian West Bank in Israeli hands by June 8. As the war ended on the Jordanian and Egyptian fronts, Israel opened an attack on Syria in the north. In a little more than two days of fierce fighting, Syrian forces were driven from the Golan Heights, from which they had shelled Jewish settlements across the border. The Six-Day War ended on June 10. Jerusalem, no longer a divided city, was now under complete Jewish control for the first time since the Bar-Kochba rebellion in 127 AD. Israel now had control of another 2,700 sq. miles of Israel and 23,500 sq. miles of Sinai. Now Israel defensively reoccupied the Sinai, the Gaza Strip, Arab Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan heights. But the addition of more than 1,500,000 Palestinian Arabs to areas under Israeli control threatened internal security.

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1969 Yasir Arafat became head of the PLO, a terrorist group using guerrilla warfare attacks on Israeli settlements in Galilee, and by Israeli retaliatory raids into Lebanon. Egypt and Syria attacked on Oct. 6, 1973, pushing Israeli forces several miles behind the 1967 cease-fire lines. Known as the Yom Kipur War, Israel was thrown off guard, partly because the attack came on the high holy day. Although Israel recovered from the initial setback, it failed to regain all the territory lost in the first days of fighting. In counterattacks on the Egyptian front, Israel seized a major bridgehead behind the Egyptian lines on the west bank of the canal. In the north, Israel drove a wedge into the Syrian lines. After 18 days of fighting in the longest Arab-Israeli war since 1948, hostilities were again halted by the UN. The political phase of the 1973 war ended with disengagement agreements accepted by Israel, Egypt, and Syria. The agreements provided for Egyptian reoccupation of a strip of land in Sinai along the east bank of the Suez Canal and for Syrian control of a small area around the Golan Heights town of Kuneitra. UN forces were stationed on both fronts to oversee observance of the agreements.

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Under an Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty signed on Mar. 26, 1979, Israel returned the Sinai peninsula to Egypt. Also in 1979 Saddam Hussein took control of the Iraqi government. In 1981 Israel bombs an Iraqi nuclear plant to stop the development of nuclear weapons. In April 1982 Israel returned the last part of Sinai to Egypt.

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On June 6, 1982, Israel launched a full-scale invasion of Lebanon, "the Lebanese War," to destroy PLO bases there and to end the attacks across its borders. Meeting little resistance, Israeli commanders pushed northward, reaching the outskirts of Beirut within a week. Fighting with Syrian forces also erupted; nearly 80 Syrian MiGs and 19 missile batteries in the Bekaa Valley were destroyed without loss of a single Israeli plane. By the end of June, Israel had captured most of southern Lebanon and besieged PLO and Syrian forces in West Beirut. The siege ended through U.S. mediation in August, when Israel agreed to leave Beirut provided Syrian and PLO forces also withdrew. A multinational force from the United States and Western Europe supervised the Syrian and PLO evacuation. On September 15, after the assassination of Lebanese president-elect Bashir Gemayel, Israel reoccupied Beirut. Israel signed an agreement with Lebanon ending the state of war in May 1983, but Lebanon renounced the pact under Syrian pressure in March 1984. Public pressures in Israel led to the withdrawal of Israeli troops by June 1994.

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« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2003, 08:44:09 PM »
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Originally posted by Batz
my challenge to xlee who implied the Romans did the samething the Zionists are doing to the palestinians, as if that made it right.




You missed my point, I was saying its Israels land.
And that rome took it from them. And altho they could take it ALL
back and fairly easily, they dont. When they received the land in 48 it was a wasteland. Israel has converted it to the most fertile
rich land in the Middle east. Its coveted by the arabs now , plus they have a hatred for thier jewish brothers, that goes back to thier roots in abraham.