Longer period of history

[NHMadmax]

well i want sex now again but i dont get it but there is no harm in asking my wife for it

[Karnak]

Major_Hans,

There is nothing wrong with your asking for jets, but don't expect those of us who don't wish to see HTC's energy diverted in a "useless" direction to hold our tongues.


As to what is wrong with the "AH with jets idea" is that there is no balance.  There would be the USA's jets and the Soviet's punching bags.  I just don't see the interest in that kind of thing.

[jonnyb]

Originally posted by Major_Hans
AH is a WW-2 simulator.  That doesn't mean HT and Pyro can't have a second game that is based on the 1950s and 1960s jets.  They've done WW-1 back when they worked for ICI/I-MOL, and now I wonder what a jet sim would be like.

And again, what makes you fellows beleave that you are the ones to tell me I can't ask for what I want?  Case in point, I think that Wetrat can't have his Bf109-Z zwilling because I don't want it (check his signature).  It's the same logic.

Unfortunately, it is not the same logic.  Aces High is a World War II air combat simulator.  I agree that the Zwilling does not belong in AH as it was only prototyped and never flown.  It is not because I don't want it.

Hitech, Pyro and company can certainly have a second game if it so suits them.  I think what the majority of people are saying here is that the current product is the sole focus of the team at HTC.  Remember, there are only a very small number of individuals working to give us AH.  Being a software developer myself, I know what goes into making large-scale applications and supporting them.  I can say with good authority that with their current release schedule and staffing, HTC simply cannot begin to consider creating a new game.

Perhaps they would be willing to talk to you about the possibility of creating your own by licensing their technology.  I am not being hostile, I am being honest.

[artik]

Hi, we can talk about not just MiGs and USAF planes and Korean, or Vietnam wars. We have interesting Middle East conflicts. Six Day War – we have French Mirage, Super Mister B2 vs. MiG-21, MiG-17 and British Hunter. For example the best jet ace in the world (19 kills) was Israeli that flew Mirage III and IAI Nesher – Mirage with J-79 engine. We should not talk about US planes only. There are a lot of other good jet fighters. There is Mirage In IAF museum that have 17! kills on its nose. For example I’m working on terrain and events for IAF New Historical Events with new terrain . But it is too hard to make Six Day War Events with p51d and fw190 instead Mirage and MiG21. But it worst to make is SEA IAF vs. Egyptian, Syria, Jordan, Iraq air forces conflicts that were very interesting.

Artik,
101 "Red" Squadron, Israel

[ramzey]

oh artik stop this trolling pls
in ww2 years Israel as a country not exist on map.


i type this once again

WW2 start  1939 , end 1945
not 1954

clear enough or should i use bigger letters?

ramzey

[NHMadmax]

lol world war II all the way  who needs jets go play falcon 4.0 if you want to fly jets

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by artik
Hi,
Can someone explane why are you so closed in WW2 planes just like history and great battales had finished in 1945?
Aces were in 50s and 60s too. You could see the dogfights and big fights of 20 vs 20 planes in this years too? Missles ? Speeds? What is the difference? Does MiG-21 exploding in you gunsite looks worster then Fw190? Does Mirage looks worster then P38 or Yak9?...

Can someone explane me please?
...
 

IMHO, I don't think that aces were only in WW2, or that MiG-21 or Mirage are less interesting planes than FW 190 or P-51. But I do think that the greatest air battles of all the time did take place during WW2, as you can notice just looking at the aces' rosters: if memory doesn't trick me, in Korean war the top aces reached 16 (McConnell)/22(Sutyagin), victories, and Vietnam was even worse (13 for "Toon", only 6 for Chuck DeBellevue!); and, if I'm not wrong, in Middle East war aces' scoring remained again under 20 victories. This was not only because of the increased difficulty in dogfight (I won't discuss here the reason behind this assertion, it will take too room, and I'm already running long!:p), but even because of the smaller number of planes involved in these engagements as compared to WW2 (this is particularly true for wars from Vietnam till now). So, in a certain way, it's true that great battles (or, at least, BIG battles, if this is what you intended, artik) ended in 1945 (just look at the top scorer list among German aces: there won't be anymore anything like that, as far as we can predict the evolution of human conflict!)

Regarding the game itself, and what has been said in this thread more closely, I don't think the matter is that AH is a WW2 sim, as many said: the guys at HiTech may well decide to transform it in a jet game, or to add a jet expansion, or whatever you want. The matter is that, according to MHO, this period was not only the one in which we had the greatest (biggest) air battles, but even the one in which air to air combat  reached its full maturity and utmost expression, compatibly with the characteristics of the medium human being, and with the use of planes that were relatively easy to "understand" and to fly, not to mention the weapons. After the 50s, the technological progress made airplanes more difficult to "understand", and to fly, and therefore also for more and more sophisticated (and initially faulty) weapons. So that's it (or, better, that's how I see it ): WW2 it's the environment in which you can have the easiest learning curve compatibly with high performance planes (they were the state-of-the-art prop planes - the last and the best prop fighters-), well grown BFM/ACM/ACT (in ww1 part of these tactics were still in an embryonic phase) and the easiest of all the weapons ever mounted on planes: in other words, a lot of fun!
Last, but not least, I think that this is the historical conflict that more than all the others had monopolized the attention of all: the biggest ever conflict in human history, the one that involved the biggest number of countries and people, and thus, maybe, the one that ties, tragically, all of us together.

I do understand that you, artik, as an Israeli, would like to see (and fight in) the conflicts that involved your people ( I would like to see MORE ITALIAN PLANES IN THIS GAME!:D  Btw: good suggestions Karnak, but more attention at Italian late war planes, please!); unfortunately, this is democracy: minorities succumb to the majority!

WOW, what a long post: I don't think anyone will read it, anyway... thanks for your patience, and excuse me for the lenght of the speech (and my english too: I hope I didn't make too many mistakes! )

                                                           See ya!

[hazed-]

Originally posted by artik
Hi,
Can someone explane why are you so closed in WW2 planes just like history and great battales had finished in 1945?
Aces were in 50s and 60s too. You could see the dogfights and big fights of 20 vs 20 planes in this years too? Missles ? Speeds? What is the difference? Does MiG-21 exploding in you gunsite looks worster then Fw190? Does Mirage looks worster then P38 or Yak9? Don't you have to be good pilot flying at speeds of 400-600 knots and not 200-300? Does bombing targets with Phantom easyer then with F4U (it didn't had CIPP in this years)?
Do you have to aim less exectly with F86 firing MiG15 than 109 firing Spit?

Can someone explane me please?

Artik,
101 "Red" Squadron, Israel

arrtlik can you tell me 'why you are so closed in' post 1945 planes?

just as you want jets some of us want propellors, just as you want post-war some of us want only WW2.

As it seems the game has made it this far with WW2 planes and it would seem most in here are fans of that era dont you think maybe you are the odd one out rather than everyone else?.You act as though if anyone feels this way they are crazy or ignorent.The point is those that want more jets are in the minority else this game would have had its first aircraft as a modern jet and grown in popularity until someone who wanted a WW2 sim came here and told us all we have it all wrong . Maybe once WW2 has been covered enough HTC will go on to other eras but if you ask me it would be pointless to leave a huge amount of the WW2 era aircraft missing and start a new era with even more missing and even less diversity of play.

[Major_Hans]

1.  A jet sim using 1950s and 1960s planes wouldn't be the autopilot flown jet with fire and forget missles (with a backup system in the form of a pilot).  They still dogfight.

2.  Soviet planes of the day were comparable or superior in many respects to the western ones.  The MiG 15 could outmanuever the F-86, had a superior climb rate, better guns, and a superior max altitude.  The only thing the F-86 does better is top dive speed (supersonic), while the MiG 15 will buffet and go out of control before breaking the sound barrier.

And if anybody can claim the F-102 Delta Dagger was a Sierra Hotel fighter, they're lying to you.  Even the  F-106 wasn't that great (and neither had a cannon).

3.  Soviet vs Western.  Are you forgetting the main arena settings?  We have Fw190s winging with Spitfires against Zeros and their La-7 wingmen.  It's not which country has better planes, it's which has the better pilots.  All equipment is available to everyone.  If you don't want to fly the MiG-21, fly the Hawker Hunter or Mirage instead.

4.  Missles being too easy.  I would correctly model the long, long list of problems that missles had.  Heat seekers lock onto the Sun, or the Sun's reflection in the water (with no way of knowing what the seeker head is pointed at, just the audio tone).  The missle could fail (either won't launch, won't track, rocket engine fails to ignite, or the warhead proximity fuse isn't working).  Those darn vacuum tube componets sure ruin your day.  Something like 35% success rate was normal.

Things like that.  It would bring the airwar into the phone booth quite often, especially with the early jets.....you know....the ones that only have guns (F-84, F-86, F-100, MiG-15, Mig-17, Mig-19).



As for theater map settings, I would put it in Europe before any other theater.  WW-III instead of any proxy wars like Korea or Vietnam (make them scenarios).

[ramzey]

allways i was thinking my english skills are bad:D

[qts]

Definitely keep it WW2 only. Adding a '1946' mode would be acceptable but not preferred.

[Desl0ck]

Originally posted by artik
You know that Mig Alley is not the same game.
I'm talking about realy multyplayers game 200-300 not 8. HighTechCreations can take this part of game market adding new era of Jets. The hole thing is to fly together in squadrons to make on-line combats with a lot of players! This part of the market can be easy catched by HTC and to push other games like Mig Alley and to make them really interesting.
 

Example A:   It was going to be called Air Warrior: Vietnam... I too wanted to play that one.. LOVE the Phantom....

Examble B: Janes World War- Janes USAF was to be the first/test bed for World War it was going to have every sime from that point on plug into a single massively multi-player persistant world...was interesting in conceptm,  but I have always hated Janes FM's .

for a TRUE jet era MMOG..it will have to be 1 from the outset the one I am looking forward to NOW is Target Korea..looks interesting, but with what you are asking... I cant se HTC spreading themselves that thin.. even AW II/III had only 3 jets, a mig/f-86 & the me-262.. hell, AH has more jets now then AW ever did..

[artik]

Yes, the biggest conflict in XX century was WW2, but the thread name called a longer period of history. I do not want see this game JANE’s USAF, I do not know I just want real AH with bigger plane set. One day to fly Camel, than Mustang than F86 and than Mirage. I want fly SEA in more different period of history. Art why do you think that flying MiG21 is absolutely different than fw190? Great battles? In first wave in Six Day War were involved 200 IAF planes. In one fight you could see 20-30 planes dog fighting. Weapons it is easier to learn to shoot simple missile than calibrate Norden site. The main reason I think you don’t want jets because you are familiar to modern games where with one F15 you can kill 10 AI MiGs. This games just arcade games that I do not want to see AH look like.

Artik,
101 "Red" Squadron, Israel

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by artik
Yes, the biggest conflict in XX century was WW2, but the thread name called a longer period of history.

Yes artik, you started this thread calling it "a longer period of history", but then many posts were added, the thread evolved, and, as people kept saying they don't want to move from WW2, you said:

Can someone explane why are you so closed in WW2 planes just like history and great battales had finished in 1945?

...

I just tried to give you the explanation you asked for... why we're so tied to WW2, why we (the majority of players, it seems) prefer to fly prop fighters and shoot bullets, instead of missiles.

It seems I didn't have success.

[NHMadmax]

well i joined AH to fly WWII planes and thats all i like to fly.
But each to his own