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lazs

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« on: October 19, 2000, 10:08:00 AM »
Well... been flying the new and improved AH FM for a couple of weeks now.   Had some horrendous stick spike problems at first that made it unplayable but they are sorted out now.  Addmittedly I don't have a lot of experiance with the new model so bear with me or flame me or just inform me.   I responmd equally to all of the above.

FM... HUGE improvement.   Action is more intense than previously and I see a lot of ACM in the arena (a good thing IMO).  I find I like the FM more than WB now especially the low speed handling like ded stick landings or, any landings for that matter.   Much, much more fun than the last version for me.

AC... They seem to have the FM's sorted out pretty well with planes acting like you would expect them to against each other.   Ironicaly, after reading some of the preliminary comparitive data, I was turned off by data that showed the AH Hog was outturned by the likes of the P47, 190,and P51.  I have been flying the Hog allmost exclusively and find that in fact, I can sqeek by all those planes in allmost any turn situation.   Maybe the Hog should turn a little better but I am having fun which brings me to..

The "uberhog".. Wha..?   The plane is easily outturned by allmost every plane except the 47,190,51... It has the worst climb of any plane in the game by a pretty fair margin.   It is fast (especially at AH combat alts) and it rolls as well as any and better than most.  It is a big, fast, plane so it will dive and zoom as well or better than anything in the game.   If you try to climb or turn co e with a spit or any other plane in it you will lose position.   Those who claim magical FM properties for it are either.... ignorant (don't know what is happening in the fite).  have a bad connection... Have run into some kind of hacker.... Are a liar (no explanation needed).    or inexperianced (in the Hog).  Certainly tho... film will show which of these is the case.  It does have great guns in the C version....

Guns.... leathiality/damage model in AH is  a breath of fresh air for someone coming from a sim with 60% leathiality and intermittent hardness bugs and "adjustments" but.... The cannon vs mg thing is still there a little.   Sometimes, 6 fifties work perfectly and other times... not as well.   I believe that when all is well with my connect, a good solid fifty caliber snapshot deals either death or a crippling blow.   My sometimes marginal connects sometimes give marginal results.   Cannon work good because the leathiality "margin for error" is so good.  Even so... I have 18-20 assists using the most powerful cannon group in the game.   Cannon are not guarenteed 1 ping killers.  I believe that perhaps it would be good to up the mg's 10% or so in leathiality to make up for the vagaries of the internet.  For now... I will cut down on my frustratin level by flying cannon.  Hope the Hellcat has the 2 20mm + 4 fifty option.

perk planes... heard about this one and am very wary of it....  Seems to me that one of the things that AH has going for it is a balanced plane set.   Perk planes seems to be a recipe for animosity and frustration.  After a lot of hard work, WB has developed animosity, frustration and lopsided planesets to a fine art but perk planes may do em one better.   If adding new planes to the set is the goal then I would suggest that they have their own "day"  and that planes that are very much uber wait until a few "counter"  planes are developed and then they can fly against each other.   By the same token, new early planes need to have something to fite before they are introduced... they need to be introduced "en bloc", groups of three or more and there own day/generation.   A lot of people hate "262" day in WB.   Imagine that 24/7  365 days of the year.

All in all.... I am having fun and things seem pretty balanced with enough choice and good FM's and variety to suit me.   I would have been a little more critical but I don't know enough yet and besides.... I have to live up to my WB reputation as "HT asskisser".
lazs

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2000, 10:14:00 AM »
Concur with entire post except the Perk Plane part:

Perk planes is something everyone gets.

Perk planes will NOT be used in every sortie since the work it took to get one, one will not be foolish enough to use it and lose it right away.

Perk Plane users will be hunted exclusively, more the reason to use your new bird wisely for chosen missions.

Perk planes is a form of real war, where, after a certain amount of time went by, your old A/C was updated to the latest  and greatest, regardless if the enemies had or had not.

<S> Lazs

More on Perk planes from HT

 
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                  1. You will only loose perk points when you die in a perk plane. Not sure how ditches and bails will effect
                   the point's possibly a percentage of the planes value.

                   2. k/d will not be used to award point's it will be done more along the lines of fly more and kill more or
                   damage more get more points. Each missions points will be modified by your missions outcome. And
                   each kills points will be modified by plane type modifiers. I.E. worse plane kills better plane = more points
                   than Visa versa.


                   I'm viewing the time frame of getting enof points to get a perk plane in the realm of 3 to 4 weeks in playing
                   time.

                   Perk points are life time points, and will not reset with tours.

                   Now put you self in the position that you just spent 4 weeks getting enof points to go fly a 262. And if you
                   die in that 262 it will take another 4 weeks to get enof points to fly it again. Do you think you will use it in a
                   furball? or would you be more likely to take it out on occasion to show off your trophy?

                   Now put yourself in the roll of being attacked by a 262.

                   1st killing it will be worth more points than the standard planes.

                   2nd I can see people getting together and hunting that 262 just to spoil it's day.


                   We are also considering awarding points for to the hole country for war wins. This would require you be in
                   that country for the last 24 hours.


                   We are also considering using the 1st tear, i.e. least inexpsensive planes , as a meens of side balancing,
                   Enabling them for free to a side if they are to low on player counts.


                   HiTech

Lets not condemn a new concept, if we historically had  in the past, we might all still be flying Dos AW?!?

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2000, 10:17:00 AM »
Sheesh...another HTC apologist.    

Welcome back.

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2000, 10:23:00 AM »
 
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By the same token, new early planes need to have something to fite before they are introduced... they need to be introduced "en bloc", groups of three or more and there own day/generation.

Yep, couldn't agree more. Just wish it was going to happen sooner, rather than much later.

 
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It does have great guns in the C version....

Understatement of the century!  

The only place where I beg to differ with you is in your opinion of the lethality of the .50's. I think they are very effective. Since I don't take many snapshots, I don't having any problem with their lethality.

 
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After a lot of hard work, WB has developed animosity, frustration and lopsided planesets to a fine art...

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2000, 10:24:00 AM »
The F4U-C handles superior to the 190A8 in all respects except medium speed roll rate.

It easily outturns the A5, and above 12-15k climb rate is comparable.

It has a much better gun package, better low speed handling, better hi speed handling but worse acceleration. It can also quite easily outdive the A8 and A5.

Worst climb rate is by far the 190A8.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2000, 10:34:00 AM »
" Maybe the Hog should turn a little better but I am having fun which brings me to.."


 I got the rope. Anyone got a tree?

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2000, 10:39:00 AM »
Man, I am really glad to see The Blue Knights back!

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2000, 10:54:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by StSanta:
The F4U-C handles superior to the 190A8 in all respects except medium speed roll rate.

It easily outturns the A5, and above 12-15k climb rate is comparable.

It has a much better gun package, better low speed handling, better hi speed handling but worse acceleration. It can also quite easily outdive the A8 and A5.

Worst climb rate is by far the 190A8.


your right. And do you think it should be different?  the 190 was not a good turner, nor a good climber.

Lazs, I agree completely, the F4U-c is not the "superman" of the AH planeset that some will say it is.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2000, 11:16:00 AM »
well rip... On the Perk thing...no sence cryin till I'm hurt but... something you said, I believe, makes my point.  

"Perk planes is a form of real war, where, after a certain amount of time went by, your old A/C was updated to the
           latest and greatest, regardless if the enemies had or had not."    

This is pretty much the current problem with WB.... "historical" types want to recreate the "ebb and flow" of ac superiority... They have created nothing but animosity.  You can have Historical or you can have fair gameplay but I don't believe you can have both.... I read the book.

I don't think that I will get much satisfaction from killing with a perk plane and i certainly won't enjoy being killed by one.   I realize that new ideas have to be tried but I also know that every new idea is not a good idea.  

I really do think that what is happening in WB right now is the perfect example of how any type of lopsided feature affects the game...  Those who fail to learn by from history...

Even in AH which, IMO has a pretty evenly matched planeset, there is a LOT of animosity over even percieved miniscule "advantages" one plane has over the other.   I don't believe the character of the players will change with the game change.

But... I will give it a chance.   Not a lot of choice at this point.   I also cannot help but believe that the powers that be are not looking at the current WB fiasco and having at least second thoughts about the whole "perk plane" idea.

and besides.... your mom dress's you funny rip.  
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Oh, rip.. u say that it will we won't see perk planes 24/7?  with thousands of players wouldn't at least a few of em have perk planes at any one time?   I don't want to fly em and I don't want to fite em.

Where would they work on your "real war" premis?   Why in scenarios and an "HA" of course.   nothing real war about the MA except the FM's.... as it should be.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2000, 11:28:00 AM »
I'll comment on the perk plane issue.

I like the idea of some mechanism to let us fly the later-war uber-rides.  However if (for example) there are always just a few 262s up, it MIGHT make the arena a less fun place for me.  Having to keep an eye out for these 500Mph+ monsters every day could become a bit wearing.  I guess we'll see when the perk-planes start showing up.

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2000, 12:21:00 PM »
Laz, I guess the point I'm making in MA furballs is, whats different from a "perk plane' set and what it is now?  If you're in a P51D, and I'm in a A6M zero, what diff would it be if that was , say a TA152 or a P51D?  No difference than it is already.  The 51 is dominent  if flown correctly, and can engage or disengage at will.

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2000, 12:49:00 PM »
rip... read hooli's post.   some perk planes will be bad news for everyone else.   They will be an anoyance.

As for how i dress and ur mom... you have me mixed up with funked who is the only person i know that has his clothes (and everything else)bought by older women.

I will say that you do look much better in manly blue than in girly gray tho... makes you look taller and less petulant IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2000, 03:36:00 PM »
Lazs you are just another HTC ass-kisser!  You are buttering them up to get the F4U-5!

Seriously that was a pretty fair assessment.  I concur that the only thing overmodeled about the F4U... is the whining.  I share your concerns about perk planes but I think HTC is acutely aware of the problems that can result and will ensure that the perk system does not cause hostility and envy (remember the Jet Day whines, ugh).

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2000, 04:07:00 PM »
Well..funked and rip.. Seems like a really odd thing to do but.. I will give it a chance before i comment again.
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2000, 04:22:00 PM »
Laz

If ya like the F4U-1C your gona love the Typhoon, its a different style of flying but after 1 tour in her youll find she can do everthing well.

She is a large target though, but this to can be used to your advantage. Many people spot the Tiffy and think, easy target.. I love when they think that, make for a great fight.


Dog out...