Author Topic: Why the Israelis will prevail (Read 2787 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2003, 03:22:36 AM »

Well yes I agree in a way. If those unarmed guys had just the moral fortitide and leaderhip to stay in place and not move the game would be over for israel. Instead their friends try to blow up the tanks and Israel wins. The palestenians are stupid for choosing arafat over gandhi.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2003, 03:53:28 AM »

if the english had shown the proclivity the isrealis had and have for machineguning children attacking allies ect ect ect ect ect . the indians would have made and equaly poor decision.

who cares we only contribute 6 bill or so a year to the semetic thocracy. what a deal with all the stability they lend to the situation

Dowding · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2003, 03:53:47 AM »

You're right Grunherz. They need a Ghandi. Or at least give them something to live for.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2003, 04:23:02 AM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
if the english had shown the proclivity the isrealis had and have for machineguning children attacking allies ect ect ect ect ect . the indians would have made and equaly poor decision.

who cares we only contribute 6 bill or so a year to the semetic thocracy. what a deal with all the stability they lend to the situation

The British had no trouble gunning down or staving scores of unarmed Indians over the centuries be they the old, young, women, men the able or invalids...

Tell me, in the big picture, is a tank a more effective weapon against an unarmed but determined peaceful protestor or against a machine gun wielding "terrorist fanatic"?

Dowding the problem I see with the current palesetenian position is that the very poweful radicals are more concerned with the unrealistic and impossible fantasy of destroying israel than they are with gaining independance and statehood. And I think they know that, this way they get to maintain their power and influence indefinitely - there wont be too much use for a radical kill-israel message when or if palestenian people are busy raising their kids or building their shops instead of this awful mess. Thats what a ratinal people would have to look forward to, to live and fight for - but now it seems their only dream is the destruction of israel, which simply will not happend. Gandhi faced similar challenges with hindu and islamic militants and radicals in india who wanted to rise up and kill the brits and each other wholesale but he managed to calm them down for the most part and in the end as we all know he was killed by one of them, but he was succesful in gaining independance and staehood. The palesteninans dont have such a man and if a people ever needed a gandhi those people are palesteninans.

Its very sad.

Batz · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2003, 04:27:43 AM »

Tanks against stoning throwing children.

We just need a few bulldozers knocking their parents homes down making more "stones" for the pal kids to throw, giving the Israelis an excuse to machine gun more pal children so that when one of those lucky children survive the tanks he can become a teenager and strap a nail bomb to his back and blow up a bunch of Israeli kids to avenge his childhood friends.

WTFG Zionists

Dowding · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2003, 04:32:53 AM »

It's a vicious circle of epic proportions. More flock to the extremist flags for every new settlement built, or for every suicide bomb.

Toad · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:01:39 AM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
who cares we only contribute 6 bill or so a year to the semetic thocracy. what a deal with all the stability they lend to the situation

You know, I'm on record here as against US aid to Israel. But if I post on it, I try to use facts

Do you EVER check your statements for truth?

Or is any lie justified in the pursuit of your current agenda?

First it was $5 million dollar cruise missiles that actually cost $500,000.

Now you're misrepresenting aid to Israeal by double.

From the Christian Science Monitor:

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Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due to get $2.04 billion in military assistance and $720 million in economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting $3 billion a year for years.

And, as I said, I don't think Israel needs that kind of money from us.

But is sure isn't $6 BILLION they're getting.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:03:18 AM »

At least he is doing better, from 10 times the lie to only 2 times the lie!

Dowding · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:06:13 AM »

Still, $3 billion is still a big heap of money.

How many hospitals is that? How many libraries or after-school activities would that fund?

Hortlund · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:08:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Still, $3 billion is still a big heap of money.

How many hospitals is that? How many libraries or after-school activities would that fund?

And how many jacuzzis?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:12:44 AM »

I think Israel is not totatly commited to the seriousness of a peace effort due to the huge amount of US military aid - all that money and american power lets them misbehave in the knowledge that no matter what the USA will help them. But of course any attempt to curtail this aid will draw the usual namecalling from the usual people in the USA.

Hortlund · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:30:36 AM »

Nah, the Israelis are protected by the jewish lobby. The largest and most influential lobby there is in the US. Israel could pretty much torch the west bank and nothing would happen with the US support thanks to that lobby...

-tronski- · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:34:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
You know, I'm on record here as against US aid to Israel. But if I post on it, I try to use facts

Do you EVER check your statements for truth?

Or is any lie justified in the pursuit of your current agenda?

First it was $5 million dollar cruise missiles that actually cost $500,000.

Now you're misrepresenting aid to Israeal by double.

From the Christian Science Monitor:

And, as I said, I don't think Israel needs that kind of money from us.

But is sure isn't $6 BILLION they're getting.

Actually it's now $USD 1 billion in military aid, and $USD 9 Billion in loan guarantees.

Tronsky

Toad · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2003, 07:06:11 AM »

Loans will, in theory, be repaid unlike direct aid.

And before you start, I also seriously doubt they'll ever repay the loans. Particularly given the state of their economy.

However, apples to apples. The loans are not "aid" anymore than your banker gave you "aid" to buy your house.

As I said though, I think the money we provide Israel in toto has got to be addressed and soon. They get WAY too much from the US.

IMO.