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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2003, 06:21:51 PM »
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
I'm french and i support my government.


You won't find much bashing of the French by me here, maybe a little. However, France's position in this Iraqi matter will never be forgiven nor forgotten by me. I believe Saddam could have been persuaded to conform or leave without war had the UN been united, something that France was resolute in preventing.
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« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2003, 07:52:37 PM »
Reality Check:

France is no longer an ally of The United States of America.

To demonstrate this point.. check national opinion in France.. and The U.S.A.

Why?

France has blocked all international efforts in removing a regime that has and does support terror. France has blocked all international efforts in calling to account the leaders of Iraqs regime for human rights violations.

Why?

France has continued its moral support and material supply of this aknowledged enemy of America, in defiance of UN sanctions, in defiance of U.S. protests.

Why?

Troops are dying in Iraq.. Coalition Troops.. and France STILL does nothing to help end the Regime of Saddam.

Why?

The citizens of France.. the Democracy of France, bear responsibility for the actions of it's politicians.

With us. Or Against U.S.

They have chosen.

So must we.
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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2003, 08:17:51 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo
or I'll make him swallow it. :)
 


Try that.

(Friendly tip: Grease your bunghole first,  well enough to take that bottle with out seriously damaging it.)

Oh, yeah........


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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2003, 08:38:41 PM »
Well... I dunno...

I believe the post Straffo copied here was written by someone who didn't have a proficient understanding of English (which coincides with a good number of Americans who post here on this BBS, so nationality obviously holds no relation to mastery of the common language)...

I say this because of one line: That is the basis of freedom, everybody is entitled to think freely and speak freely. By insulting people thinking differently than you, you become no better than the people we fight. It is everybody’s right to criticize the policy of a government but no one has the right to criticize a group of people based on their nationality, language, race or religion.

People are free to bash someone else's ideas, thoughts, or stance on issues as much as the other person is free to bash theirs.

Now as far as nationality, language, race or religion- people are still free to bash people based on that. But lets realise one thing, you would get the living toejam kicked out of you if you do that to someone's face.

I've been to France, and I've run into the good just as much as the bad. I've been across the states, and in certain areas I've run into far more of the bad than the good.

That doesn't stop me from liking where I live based on the people, it's the prinicples and ideals that I like- a LOT of the people I've run into make me shudder with disgust. Much like I'm sure the French enjoy their prinicples and ideals of their country, and I'm sure they have people that are revolting.. even to them, and c'mon- they're French! (Joke Straffo ;) ).

This is primarily an American board, but sometimes you gotta realise... even with the majority backing, you can be wrong and your comments out of place.

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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2003, 11:09:35 PM »
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Originally posted by AKIron
So, it's ok for the French to bash Americans but not ok for the Americans to bash the French?

I'll agree that any frenchman that hasn't jumped on his government's bandwagon in denouncing the US is deserving of respect. On the other hand, if he has, I fart in his general direction.


LOL Right on

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« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2003, 12:18:37 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad
Try that.

(Friendly tip: Grease your bunghole first,  well enough to take that bottle with out seriously damaging it.)

Oh, yeah........


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hehe ;)

I was affraid you didn't take it has I intended : as a joke :)

regards
Frédéric

nice post SW.
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« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2003, 12:32:50 AM »
Sorry Straffo, I'm gonna hang over your shoulder and never let the French forget...


"France wants the same thing than US, but does not think that the use of force is appropriate at this moment."



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« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2003, 01:33:58 AM »
what made you suppose I forgot ?

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« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2003, 01:34:22 AM »
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Reality Check:


More like, your opinon check.


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France has blocked all international efforts in removing a regime that has and does support terror. France has blocked all international efforts in calling to account the leaders of Iraqs regime for human rights violations.


France planed on blocking US and GB efforts to remove Saddam's  regime in the time scale that the US and GB wished.  They never used their Security Council veto, as the US and GB didn't want to put a second resolution to a vote in the Security Council that they knew they would lose.  There have been plenty of times that the US has has blocked all international efforts in calling to account the leaders of Iraqs regime for human rights violations.  Isreal is on example.

"Of the 248 vetoes recorded by the five Security Council members since the inception of the United Nations, the United States has cast 73 - the vast majority of them related to the Middle East.
Here is a list of the US vetoes, in addition to 25 US abstentions on S. C resolutions that are condemning
Israel alone which are 25 out of 71. "

http://www.al-bushra.org/palestine/veto.html


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France has continued its moral support and material supply of this aknowledged enemy of America, in defiance of UN sanctions, in defiance of U.S. protests.


Material support?  Do tell.  I imagine you consider moral support to any comments they made against the US policy of invading a foreign nation.  An invasion which is against UN resoltions, in defiance of UN charter, and in defiance of US protests.  Whelp it looks like most nations fit that bill.  


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Troops are dying in Iraq.. Coalition Troops.. and France STILL does nothing to help end the Regime of Saddam.


Civilians are also dying in Iraq..Iraqi civilians..and France STILL does not support an illegal war of agression by a foreign power  in the Iraqis homeland.


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The citizens of France.. the Democracy of France, bear responsibility for the actions of it's politicians.


True.

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With us. Or Against U.S.


I always considered that to be a rather narrow minded slogan.  I completely ignores the reality that there are certainly is other options.  Options which scores of other sovereign nations can take and have taken.

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They have chosen.


As have many other countries.  Some of which are freedom loving democracies that have traditionaly been great friends of the US.

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So must we.


So you must.

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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2003, 02:30:00 AM »
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France sold Mirages F1, Super Etendard fighter bombers and Exocet missiles to Iraq.

That was back in the 80's, when Iran was the menace: Saddam was considered an allied of the west and a rempart against the fundamentalists...

The american government had nothing against Western nations selling weapons to Iraq then: it used to piss the Russians and the Iranians off.
They even facilitated some deals, and never opposed one.

It wasn't only missiles and aircraft.  France were the numnuttz that sold Saddam a nuclear reactor...to a country with the 2nd largest oil reserve on this planet!  He didn't really need nuclear power, what do you think he was going to use the plant for?  Israel knew.

Saddam was really never considered an ally of the west.  He was more in the USSR's pocket than USA or the "West's."

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« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2003, 03:23:30 AM »
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!  He didn't really need nuclear power, what do you think he was going to use the plant for?  Israel knew.



Agreed. this was a greedy, stupid move.
(just to prevent the Russians to close the nuke plant deal if I remember well)

That Israeli F16 raid was totally justified in my opinion.

That French government did not get my vote, for what it's worth.

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« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2003, 05:07:15 AM »
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Originally posted by straffo
what made you suppose I forgot ?


:) I didn't say you forgot, just said I'm gonna be reminding ya. I don't like Greenpeace, but I don't like what happened even more, or what happened after. And I didn't see protests on the streets of Paris.

BTW, best avatar on the whole BBS !

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« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2003, 05:08:25 AM »
Best plane of the world ;)