Author Topic: What planes do you absolutely hate? (Read 4096 times)

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #60 on:** April 01, 2003, 05:57:35 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
1 - WB/AW 190s/Spits are way different than AH ones.

You'd be surprised on how small the difference actually is and besides, ACM is ACM no matter the game.

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2 - DA or H/H are not multibogey environments where you are going to be outnumbered suddenly by an horde of bishops at any alt. And more than probably you are not loading 100% fuel + DT in DA or H/H (typical configuration for MA 190A5 or 75% + DT for A8/D9).

When my squad uses the DA or H2H it's not for 1v1 fights, usually 4v4 in H2H or last man standing in the DA (sometimes the entire squad of 32 takes part in these slug matches). So yes, it can be considered a multi-threat enviroment.

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3 - 190A5/A8/D9 are different rides. Only A8 and F8 are really similar planes.

Of course there are difference between plane variants but it still doesn't take away the fact that all versions are E fighters and are best employed when using such tactics.

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4 - Your particular conception of 190 tactic of aproaching at light speed, firing and then keep running at light speed may be good for planes with long range weapons like P47/P38/P51/F4U/F6F, but not when you need to fire at 350 yards or less to have any chance of hiting the target.

My perception of FW190 tactics aren't based on how I've seen the majority that fly them, it's based on what the plane is capable and not capable of. I don't know about others that fly U.S. planes but I can't hit anything beyond 400yards so I rarely fire at targets beyond that range.

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You are missing completely what 190s do to have any success, in fact you are describing what I see every time I discover a 25K P38/P51 over me, dive, spray from 1k or more and keep running until you cant see the icon anymore.

Hardly, that's why I stand by my statement that if you're in a FW190 and you have to run from a Spitfire, then you need some refresher courses on proper E fighting techniques, especially if you're the one that initiates the fight.

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If you want to give us leassons of 190 handling, you better fly them first.

Here's Lesson #1:
Step 1 : See bogie 5k below you
Step 2 : Dive on bogie 5k below you
Step 3 : Blow past bogie and run
Step 4 : Repeat Steps 1-3

I know you hate to admit it but it takes no more skill to fly a FW190 than it does flying an La-7 or, dare I say it, a Spitfire. So don't mind my laughter when someone says that it takes skill to fly a FW190 because all planes take skill to be successful in. And one more tip because I'm in a good mood...it's the pilot and not the plane, after all the plane only does what the pilot tells it to.

Ack-Ack

479th FG - Riddle's Raiders

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #61 on:** April 01, 2003, 06:46:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Here's Lesson #1:
Step 1 : See bogie 5k below you
Step 2 : Dive on bogie 5k below you
Step 3 : Blow past bogie and run
Step 4 : Repeat Steps 1-3

Thanks for your deep demostration of 190 knowledge, BTW lessons like that are applicable even to a C202. I may be wrong, but reading comments like that, I sincerely think u have absoultelly no clue about 190s in general. In fact, as far as I see, u have 0, NULL, nada, no experience at all flying 190s in MA, and very little experience flying against them in MA. Next time, U better start with leason #1 for P38L. And if u cant hit with it further than 400 yards, you have a serious lack of aiming skill with that plane.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #62 on:** April 01, 2003, 07:26:21 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
In fact, as far as I see, u have 0, NULL, nada, no experience at all flying 190s in MA, and very little experience flying against them in MA.

True, I've hardly flown the FW190 in the MA and that's because I rarely fly any other plane than the P-38L in the MA. As for experience fighting against them, why is that I win the majority of fights against them?

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Next time, U better start with leason #1 for P38L. And if u cant hit with it further than 400 yards, you have a serious lack of aiming skill with that plane.

I've never made it a secret that my main weakness is my lack of accuracy, that's why I fire when I'm close in. This is to insure that whatever I do hit, usually goes down and I don't waste ammo spraying wildly. Not many planes can survive a close in shot with 4x. 50 cals and 20mm.

And in any case, it still doesn't take away the fact that it takes skill in all planes in order to be successful in it, whether it's the FW190 or a Spitfire.

ack-ack

Maniacal81st · « **Reply #63 on:** April 01, 2003, 07:31:40 AM »

<> Everyone,

I still have a hard time understanding why people are called "spit dweebs" "Run-190s" etc. I mean really, a plane does not make someone a better/worse pilot. I don't claim to be any great fighter ace, but I shoot down the Spit IX more than any other plane except the pony, and I am NOT one of the best pilots, so as far as I am concerned, BRING 'EM ON! There are excellent pilots for all planes. I have flown against incredible pilots that were in "not so dweeb planes." Every plane has a strength(s) and weakness(es). Far be it from me to call someone a "dweeb" because they shoot me down in their La-7, Tiffie, whatever... regardless of how good they are or aren't, they flew away and I didn't. Who's the dweeb now? If you find yourself being shot down more often by one of these "dweebs", then I suggest the finger is being pointed in the wrong direction. Every plane can be shot down. The key is matching the strenghts of the plane you are flying with the weaknesses of the plane your enemy is flying.

By the way, I am a DWEEB I guess. I absoluteley LOVE THE LA-7. Anyone who says 'It's EASY to get a kill in a La-7" is only trying to sound macho, IMHO. It is a very difficult plane to master (something I have not done) and an inexperienced pilot has/would have a difficult time scoring kills. I hate flying the Spit, I'm better off in a glider.

Suggestion: For 3 days- write down every death, how you died,what plane shot you down, and what was the mode of attack used. You will be surprised at the results, I think. You will find a common denominator among deaths. Sure helped me learn a lot about my flying style.

Good Luck to all!!! Check 6!

<> Major MaNiaCaL

~*81st*~ Krewsaderz

ROOKS!!!!!!!!!!

Getting shot down sucks.

Pepe · « **Reply #64 on:** April 01, 2003, 07:48:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I know you hate to admit it but it takes no more skill to fly a FW190 than it does flying an La-7 or, dare I say it, a Spitfire. So don't mind my laughter ...

Don't mind mine too! This made the one for my day

Suave · « **Reply #65 on:** April 01, 2003, 08:09:44 AM »

The only plane that bothers me is the me262, and they wouldn't bother me if I didn't see them so often .

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #66 on:** April 01, 2003, 08:59:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As for experience fighting against them, why is that I win the majority of fights against them?

Experience flying against them means you have killed a lot of them and/or you have died to them a lot of times also. Your % of success does not count when you have had so few encounters with 190s.

BTW, I have had also few A-A encounters against P38s, based on them I would say any P38 in MA will came from 25k, dive, spray and flee again to 25k far far away. Does that mean this is the way to use this plane, does that means that all P38 drivers use it that way? Your misconception about MA 190s is absolute. But, if you really think that killing in a 190 is just as easy as killing with a Spit, then your misconception about any plane in MA is total.

Better than talking so much, pick up a 190 for a tour and then came here with results.

gofaster · « **Reply #67 on:** April 01, 2003, 09:17:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
gofaster, go yourself.

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lol, that's the spirit!

I always liked the Ki-61 better in the MA myself.

The Japanese need a better plane set, which is why they need the Ki-84 Hayate (complete with high-g turn wing bending) or the Ki-100, which is the Ki-61 with a radial engine. But the flight model of the N1k2 defies the basic laws of physics and cheapens the game terribly.

I've always though the A6M2 was the Japanese secret weapon in the MA. This morning I shot down 2 Mustangs and a 202 in it before inadvertantly digging a wing into the side of a mountain. Sure its slow, but it climbs well and is ready to dogfight as soon as the gear leaves the ground. As long as you're not chasing Typhoons, you have a chance at getting a kill or two.

The Ki-61 is too brightly painted and easy to spot in a crowd. That shiny red and silver scheme just screams "Here I am - shoot me!". I think something a bit more clandestine would suit the Ki-61 just fine, like the photo I've attached.

gofaster · « **Reply #68 on:** April 01, 2003, 09:30:29 AM »

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Because there's no reason to. The Typhoon isn't an uber plane and for that matter neither is the Tempest, and franky it shouldn't be perked.

Ack-Ack

Stop! Stop! My ribs are breaking from laughing so hard!

mia389 · « **Reply #69 on:** April 01, 2003, 09:32:29 AM »

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Originally posted by akak
Since when is running considered "mastering" the FW190?

Ack-Ack

lol AKAK...

my vote is the LA7 or some 51s that run and dont fight.

vorticon · « **Reply #70 on:** April 01, 2003, 09:35:54 AM »

i hate 110's...how are you supposed to mindlessly HO if they have bigger guns than you:D

and i hate kates...wheres the challenge in bringing one down there hardly armed and cant maouver well...
same thing goes for stukas b17's b26's(except nod2000's) lancasters ju88's HE111(oops we dont have one yet HINT!!) and m16's

oh and typhoon and tempest hispano cannons are pathetic....the hurri2c is much better

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #71 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:00:41 AM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
But the flight model of the N1k2 defies the basic laws of physics and cheapens the game terribly.

Do you really find any difference between N1K2 and Spit? In the worst case, N1K2 is outclimbed and outdived by the Spit and both have the same hover capability.

Suave · « **Reply #72 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:05:16 AM »

Mandoble have you allready forgotten how the community proved at great legnth how the n1k2 has no more "hover" ability than your life partner the 190d9 ?

keyapaha · « **Reply #73 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:14:14 AM »

The A6M2 man that plane is uber if can dive at over 400mph and still have the wings and some controll all be it limited but can still bounce with the best of them not to menition probally the best turner and looper in the game I hate fighting aginst these but I like flying em.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #74 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:18:00 AM »

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Mandoble have you allready forgotten how the community proved at great legnth how the n1k2 has no more "hover" ability than your life partner the 190d9 ?

Proved?? yes, I've forgotten.