Author Topic: What planes do you absolutely hate? (Read 4107 times)

keyapaha · « **Reply #105 on:** April 02, 2003, 04:10:08 PM »

Us "zeke" drivers have to be sneaky to catch those late war hotrods...

Pooh21 · « **Reply #106 on:** April 02, 2003, 04:38:21 PM »

zombeees 190
roll in bounce his arse lit him up d230 in 190a8 with cannons only he looks like a vegas sign a blow past and continue on my way.
Look back expecting to see tumbling corpse instead I see 190 following at d4k. So I reverse he sets hisself up for a HO so I do same only I roll 90 onto my left wing and open up at d 2 again cannons only and barrel roll, 1 little machine gun ping, but my shots again light him up like a friggen christmas tree. Again wait for tumbling corpse or more likely boom! again nothing, then some bishtard in his la7 decides to dive in from 20k so I auger cause I wanna see who adamantium 190 is.

Kweassa · « **Reply #107 on:** April 02, 2003, 07:50:27 PM »

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P-38L will out perform a N1K2 in the vertical, it retains its E far better. P-38L, because of it's far more gentle stall characteristics has the advantage in a stall fight, which by the way is another good tactic to use against Spitfires, especially the Spitfire Mk IX and XIV models. The P-38L also has better high speed handling than the N1K2 at in high speed turn fight, can easily get inside the turn of the N1K2.

These tactics work for me majority of the time, so that's why I don't consider the N1K2 or the Spitfire to be any sort of 'Uber' weapons. Smart tactics go a long way.

With all due respect, Ak, the 'smartness' involved here is more 'situational' than 'tactical'.

I've fought you sometimes, and also have seen you fight sometimes. I can really say 9 times out of 10, you're in a position where you rarely need any complex 'tactics' at all - a position most certainly advantageous in speed and altitude by far. I can dare say you'll probably not stick around longer than 10 seconds where you see a N1K2 or a Spit9 higher than you.

I'm not being critical, or saying you're a cherry-picker or something, don't get me wrong. You will engage in a fight you can win, and I know that's the smart and logical thing to do.

However I seriously doubt that you've ever been into a situation that requires the 'tactics' explained above, in the receiving end.

Suckering and out-maneuvering a noob N1k pilot is not that very hard even in the G-10 I use, however, if you for once have to meet multiple N1K2s with those 'dedicated' N1K pilots of the MA approaching higher than you, and by some ill fate you decide to fight them.. I am pretty sure you're gonna be pretty annoyed in the moves they manage to do. Getting sniped off by quad-20mms at 700 yards, whenever you try to extend, is a frickin' annoying thing.

airbumba · « **Reply #108 on:** April 02, 2003, 09:19:20 PM »

I hate all them red ones.

Bumba

JB73 · « **Reply #109 on:** April 02, 2003, 10:00:52 PM »

akak i must respond to your posts.,...

your mention theat the 190 "takes no more skill...." and so on depresses me. it does so for the very simple reason of a fight you and i got into.

we were @ base 25 on lake uterus and you were a 1k higher pj. after i engaged you and fought (eventually augered with a spit and la7 IB) you gave me a private text for having the cahonies to engage a p38 alone in my 190.

why would you say such a thing unless you believed that a 190 had no chance of besting a pj without "expert" knowledge of the fighting abilities of the 190?

your statements to me at the time and in this post contridict each other. i think you are just going with the collective "brain" and not voicing your own opinions (IE spinless and weak)...

otherwise you have made a complete 180 in you thinking of the ability of certain aircraft in the last 3-4 months.

which is the case?

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #110 on:** April 02, 2003, 10:07:04 PM »

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Originally posted by superpug1
I hate the Me 163 because I cant fly it, but the rest of the woprld can. but it is fulfilling to kill one with a 109.

I hate the 190, I cant kill them, its a hex for me.

I hate Zekes!!!!!! when in puting along at 25 @ 390 MPH at fulll throttle, a zeke appears outa no where and tries to cream me. I can usually out run it then climb and attack, but I hate them.

On a lighter note. I love 109s espesially the G10. its fast

LOL you're dead in that 109 G-10 if i lure you to dive at 25K with my p-51D mustang:D You'll "compressed" that 109 G-10 at 500 mph while i dive with my mustang at 700 mph:D

*note that if you reach 500mph in 109 G-10, you get very little or no response to the elevators and ailerons

Widewing · « **Reply #111 on:** April 03, 2003, 12:04:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Ike 2K#

*note that if you reach 500mph in 109 G-10, you get very little or no response to the elevators and ailerons

One of the things that has always baffled me about the flight modeling of this game is the issue of compressibility.

If I'm in a Jug or P-38, I expect to see compressibililty when doing 500 mph at 25k. However, they're still compressing at 2k! Hold the phone, 500 mph at 2k is barely above Mach 0.6, well below the critical mach of any fighter in this game. In other words, the P-47 should not have any issues with compressibility below 10k.

Back in the late 1940s, Curtiss test pilot Herb Fisher performed over one hundred dive tests with a P-47D-30-RE from altitudes up to 30k (testing transonic props). Fisher routinely reached Mach 0.80 and 0.83 on occasion and he never had any trouble getting the big Jug out of the dive. In fact, Fisher stated that at 550 mph (at around 5,000 feet), the P-47 responded well to elevator input, requiring no assistance from trim to exit the dive. I have the test data for 12 of these test dives.

The compression behavior may be a programming concession, but it sure as heck isn't accurate. As a plane descends to warmer air, the speed of sound goes up. Therefore, the effects of compressibility diminish until the aircraft is well below critical Mach.

Adding to the problem are dive recovery flaps that do not perform as they are supposed to. These should induce a pitch-up condition, leading to a 3 G, hands-off pullout. Those on the P-38 and P-47D-30 merely add drag, with no pitch-up whatsover.

My regards,

Widewing

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #112 on:** April 03, 2003, 12:56:15 AM »

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Originally posted by JB73

why would you say such a thing unless you believed that a 190 had no chance of besting a pj without "expert" knowledge of the fighting abilities of the 190?

What I meant is that no matter what plane you fly, in order to be successful in that plane it takes skill, be it in a FW190 or a Spitfire. I don't buy into that hogwosh that it takes less skill to be successful in planes like the Spitfire, N1K2 or La-7 because it's just not true.

And by the way, we have the L model in AH, not the J.

Ack-Ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #113 on:** April 03, 2003, 01:11:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
With all due respect, Ak, the 'smartness' involved here is more 'situational' than 'tactical'.

I've fought you sometimes, and also have seen you fight sometimes. I can really say 9 times out of 10, you're in a position where you rarely need any complex 'tactics' at all - a position most certainly advantageous in speed and altitude by far. I can dare say you'll probably not stick around longer than 10 seconds where you see a N1K2 or a Spit9 higher than you.

That's just not true. If it's a 1v1 situation and my plane is still combat worthy, I won't run, it would be useless because they'd be able to catch me with their superior altitude advantage. I'll try me best to sucker them down low and do whatever I can to whittle away their altitude and energy advantage.

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I'm not being critical, or saying you're a cherry-picker or something, don't get me wrong. You will engage in a fight you can win, and I know that's the smart and logical thing to do.

Of course I'm going to engage whenever possible with some type of advantage but there are times when that's not possible.

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However I seriously doubt that you've ever been into a situation that requires the 'tactics' explained above, in the receiving end.

Again, you're wrong. Anyone that has fought against me flying a Spitfire or N1K2 will tell you that I regularly turn fight against these planes, sometime not successfully but more often then not, I am. Ask guys like Dadrabit or SaburoS or Popy. Those three guys I regularly turn fight against in their Spitfires and N1K2s

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Suckering and out-maneuvering a noob N1k pilot is not that very hard even in the G-10 I use, however, if you for once have to meet multiple N1K2s with those 'dedicated' N1K pilots of the MA approaching higher than you, and by some ill fate you decide to fight them.. I am pretty sure you're gonna be pretty annoyed in the moves they manage to do. Getting sniped off by quad-20mms at 700 yards, whenever you try to extend, is a frickin' annoying thing.

Annoyed at what moves? If you're dumb enough to fly level while extending with only 700 yards seperation, then you shouldn't be surprised if you get hit.

But it still doesn't take away from the fact that the N1K2 isn't some super weapon and has many weaknesses that can be exploited, just like all the other planes in here.

Ack-Ack

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #114 on:** April 03, 2003, 07:28:16 AM »

Just an example of superweapon: Bf 110G2. And it is not fast, It rolls awfully, it compresses early and is only an average turner at medium and lo speeds, but gun package and long range deflection shoots count a lot in AH. Apply the same for the N1K2 but adding its impressive flying characteristics and you have a megaweapon. With D9 or F8 with only 2x20mm 151/20, you need to get really close before firing (I die more from crashes against burning spits than by enemy fire) and then concentrate a very accurate burst to do any critical damage.

Shane · « **Reply #115 on:** April 03, 2003, 07:39:32 AM »

didn't we already cover before how easy the d9 is to fly and get kills in?

thrila · « **Reply #116 on:** April 03, 2003, 08:23:03 AM »

Hehehe

batdog · « **Reply #117 on:** April 03, 2003, 08:29:07 AM »

A good pilot will do well in any ride eventualy. An inexperienced stick has more of chance of survival depending on thier plane and its performance.

The logic that the planes does not matter is simply BS. If the plane did not matter why is/was so much time spent to improve performance? Its silly at best. Yes..good sticks can max an inferior planes performance vrs a late war ride per say... but the average joe has a better chance against this "Ace" in his late war ride than he would in an earlier or same model.

batdog · « **Reply #118 on:** April 03, 2003, 08:32:28 AM »

AKAK mentioned that a 38 can out turn a Spit 9 or Niki in the vertical. He's correct, I've done it, Animal does it, Bug,Tac,Fester,Rob53 etc have all done it. Its a matter of fuel load, speed, flap deployment and throttle use. A uber spit driver or Niki driver will prob hand you your bellybutton though.

gofaster · « **Reply #119 on:** April 03, 2003, 08:41:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38L will out perform a N1K2 in the vertical, it retains its E far better. P-38L, because of it's far more gentle stall characteristics has the advantage in a stall fight, which by the way is another good tactic to use against Spitfires, especially the Spitfire Mk IX and XIV models. The P-38L also has better high speed handling than the N1K2 at in high speed turn fight, can easily get inside the turn of the N1K2.

These tactics work for me majority of the time, so that's why I don't consider the N1K2 or the Spitfire to be any sort of 'Uber' weapons. Smart tactics go a long way.

Ack-Ack

Now try it without using flaps, like a Spit and N1K2 can.

A P-38 can dance if you know when and how to use flaps. But that's true for most US planes. The Spit V, IX, N1K2, LA-7 are deadly and you don't even need to hit any keys.