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Offline Hortlund

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« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2003, 12:27:30 PM »
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Gunshots may have caused open fractures? How can you not recognize a gunshot wound? Especially if you're an army surgon.


Lets just say that the one making that statement is a doctor and you're not, and leave it at that shall we?

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« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2003, 12:31:55 PM »
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Thank you for those few kind words. The same to you Herr Obersturmbannführer.

Btw. are you still trying to get that green card? Keep up the good work and you'll have it in no time!

 


Yeah, because US immigrations and naturalizations services (or whoever it is who makes the desicions on those green cards) is monitoring BB's like this one to find potential immigrants to the US...

Besides, if I really wanted to get a greencard and move to the US do you really think it would be that difficult? Hmm...Swedish, highly educated, no criminal record, perfect health, good income, two kids...

I mean if they let people like Grunherz in, there should be a red carpet reception complete with honor guard and brass band for me at the airport.

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« Reply #92 on: May 23, 2003, 12:32:10 PM »
I had the link Blur posted maybe a week ago, but in Russian from BBC Russian service.

I was too lazy to find it in English, otherwise I think I couldn't resist to post it here.

What a joke :(

"Wag the dog" movie in action.

Indeed, the masters of all lies.

Why don't Russian special forces make spectacular movies about liberating slaves in Chechnya?... We have to learn some propaganda warfare from the enemy.

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« Reply #93 on: May 23, 2003, 12:52:18 PM »
You have reached a conclusion?  I certainly have not.  

What is obvious here is the facts of the events leading up to, during and beyond the alleged rescue/recovery are still under investigation.

So you dont trust the investigators in the military or politicians in the government but you trust reporters in media.  None of them are trustworthy yet you seek to believe those that represent your preconceived notions of tail wagging and enemy propaganda.
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« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2003, 12:54:26 PM »
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Why don't Russian special forces make spectacular movies about liberating slaves in Chechnya?...

lack of creative genius ?
too much wine on the job ?
not enough money?
too lazy ?

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« Reply #95 on: May 23, 2003, 12:59:43 PM »
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Why don't Russian special forces make spectacular movies about liberating slaves in Chechnya?

Lack of successful rescue operations? I mean everyone knows the Russian way...gas everyone and hope some hostages survives.

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« Reply #96 on: May 23, 2003, 01:07:31 PM »
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"There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet injury."

"I examined her, I saw she had a broken arm, a broken thigh and a dislocated ankle," said Dr Harith a-Houssona, who looked after her.

This guy is a doctor too ... shal we leave it at that?


Yeah...road traffic accident...

Sooo...An Iraqi "doctor" making a statement without anything to back him up vs US Army surgeon with complete medical files, X-ray images to back his statement up.

Believe whoever you want.

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« Reply #97 on: May 23, 2003, 01:16:46 PM »
Well, then the Iraqi doctor shouldnt have any problem to back his statement up with x-ray images ...right?

And have you seen what the Iraqi hospitals looked like after 12 years of sanctions? Lets just say I'm not entirely convinced every hospital actually had x-ray capability.

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« Reply #98 on: May 23, 2003, 01:41:14 PM »
Hmmm... I've read pretty much all of the articles on Jessica.  The ones being cited were written before she'd even made it out of Iraq.  I'm curious as to just when that interview occured.

The media knew there was a story and ran with it.  Everyone would rather argue the race of a certain NYT reporter than acknowledge that 50% of what they read is quite simply fabricated.

Find a single article with the line: "Jessica said..." or "according to jessica..."  They're not out there.

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« Reply #99 on: May 23, 2003, 01:50:46 PM »
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Find a single article with the line: "Jessica said..." or "according to jessica..."  They're not out there.

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She's not going to say a word about her ordeal until her book deal is signed. ;)

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« Reply #100 on: May 23, 2003, 01:57:36 PM »
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She's not going to say a word about her ordeal until her book deal is signed. ;)
LOL! I don't doubt that at all.  Just seems there were alot of first day stories detailing the actions of someone that hadn't said a word to anyone yet.

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« Reply #101 on: May 23, 2003, 02:26:14 PM »
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She's not going to say a word about her ordeal until her book deal is signed. ;)


a book or a film ? (or both ?)

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« Reply #102 on: May 23, 2003, 03:12:01 PM »
I picture Calista Flockhart in the title role.




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« Reply #103 on: May 23, 2003, 04:00:03 PM »
Half a dozen US soldiers were captured during that fight and later repatriated.  In due time the truth will be told.

Until then, everyone is speculating beyond the facts already known.

Apart from the usual asses, all is well.
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« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2003, 05:13:25 PM »
Hortlund: Hmmm, let's see...she was taken prisoner uninjured, and was retrieved with spinal injuries, multiple major bone breaks, and contusions...from a hospital...where she may have been under painkillers or sedation.

 Hortlund, where did you get that info that she was captured unharmed? The last I saw in the newspaper was that she did not have any stab or gunshot wounds but suffered broken bones and spine when her vehicle overturned from the explosion. Could you provide the link or reference please?

...her inability to provide total recall of the events...

 As far as I know, after her resc.. er, retrieval she never publicly or officially said anything about the circumstances of her capture and stay in the hospital - including claim about memory gaps. Do you have any references for that opinion or do you just make it up as you go along?




 And while we are at it, some old stuff:

miko: That's called psychological pressure - making prisoners believe they are threatened when in reality they are not.
In order to work properly threats must be combined with severe sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, acute physical discomphort (being tied in ackward positions for hours, confined to narrow spaces, etc.), humiliation and other kinds of treatment that destroy person's mind.


Maverick: Miko, You obviously need to research the geneva convention. I'm sure your training in the ussr didn't cover it. I'm sure because of the absolutely stupid post you made.

 Maveric,  I described the general methods of psychological torture that pose small risk to life or even physical health and indicated that it is what Iraqis might have been doing.

 Your statement quoted here implies that I tried to justify any side using them or called for using them or claimed they were legal while I did not say anything of that sort. I'm sure only your narrowmindedness and inability to use your brain made you post such an absolutely stupid reply as a knee-jerking reaction to seing my name rather than based on anything I've said here.

 I certainly did not study Geneva convention in the USSR army but I know it does not forbid private citizens like myself knowing the techniques and methods of phsychological or other torture and describing them on the forums.

 I know for sure that US have been and is using those and worse methods on prisoners - directly and through intermediaries.
 Most recently, from a US official admitting that they cannot allow lawyers to visit the Guantanamo inmates because it would disrupt the round-the clock regime of sensory deprivation and other tortures similar to what I've just described.

 miko
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