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Offline 1Duke1

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« on: April 05, 2003, 11:46:22 PM »
Decided to do a little stat searching since I am unable to fly.  Started with Tour 3 (when I started playing AH) and picked out the kill/death stats for the USN Blue PTO aircraft and the Japanese planeset.

DISCLAIMER:  I realize the stats for the FM2 and the F4F are somewhat skewed in the later tours due to their use as subs in teh Finnish setups.

Here goes:)

TOUR 3: 3/1/02-3/21/02

TOTALS:
F4u-1--  (90/118)_____________N1K2-- (21/15)
F6F-5--  (260/227)____________Ki 61--   (66/78)
F4u-1D- (16/26)____________A6M5b- (79/77)

INDIVIDUAL:     F4u-1 vs.                 F4u-1D vs.             F6F-5 vs.
           N1K1________(1/0)_____(0/1)______(1/1)
           A6M5b_______(0/8)_____(2/1)______(5/6)
           Ki 61________ (2/7)_____(1/4)______(1/1)


TOUR 4:  3/22/02-3/30/02

TOTALS:
F4u-1--  (423/510)_____________N1K2-- (442/228)
F6F-5--  (695/605)_____________Ki 61 -- (695/644)
F4u-1D- (219/145)_____________A6M5b- (1168/1256)

INDIVIDUAL:      F4u-1 vs.                 F4u-1D vs.              F6F-5 vs.
            N1K2_______(55/85)____(9/15)____(22/47)
            A6Mb5_____(162/190)__(75/33)___(316/265)
            Ki 61______(90/130)___(29/22)___(131/123)


TOUR 5: 5/1/02-5/30/02

TOTALS:
F4u-1--  (0/0)______________N1K2--   (417/325)
F6F-5-- (28/24)____________Ki 61--    (165/116)
F4u-1D- (2/7)______________A6Mb5-   (95/106)

INDVIDUAL:         F4u-1 vs.                 F4u-1D vs.             F6F-5 vs.
           N1K2________(0/0)____(0/0)______(1/0)
           A6Mb5_______(0/0)____(0/0)______(0/0)
           Ki 61________(0/0)____(0/0)______(3/3)


TOUR 6: 6/2/02-6/29/02

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--  (44/32)_____________N1K2-- (202/209)
F6F-5--  (69/106)____________Ki 61--  (111/113)
F4u-1D- (65/48)_____________A6M5b- (83/136)

INDIVIDUAL:        F4u-1 vs.                 F4u-1D vs.              F6F-5 vs.
           N1K2________(15/13)__(21/17)____(16/36)
           A6Mb5_______(10/8)___(21/13)____(27/30)
           Ki 61________(14/8)___(19/10)____(11/25)


TOUR 7: 7/2/02-7/31/02

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--  (9/9)________________N1K2--   (255/193)
F6F-5--  (71/107)_____________Ki 61--    (600/509)
F4u-1D- (7/14)_______________A6Mb5-  (454/540)
F4F  -- (1731/1360)___________A6m2--   (1905/1814)
FM2--   (178/144)

INDIVIDUAL:  F4u-1 v.   F4u-1D v.   F6F-5 v.      F4F v.      FM2 v.
       N1K2_______(1/4)___(1/2)____(25/41)__(7/9)___(23/20)
       A6Mb5______(2/3)___(1/1)____(11/14)__(3/2)___(25/20)
       Ki 61_______(1/0)___(0/3)____(15/27)__(4/4)___(21/25)
       A6M2_______(2/1)___(0/1)____(4/9)__(1017/800)_(11/7)


TOUR 8: 9/3/02-10/31/02

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--  (451/518)_______________N1K2-- (290/153)
F6F-5--  (542-519)_______________Ki 61--  (408/276)
F4u-1D- (3/6)___________________A6Mb5-  (776/585)
F4F--      (339/426)_______________A6M2-    (249/177)
FM2--     (140/134)

INDIVIDUAL:    F4u-1 v.   F4u-1D v.   F6F-5 v.    F4F v.      FM2 v.
        N1K2______(19/18)__(0/1)___(46/80)__(19/37)_(27/46)
        A6M5b____(95/104)__(1/1)___(73/69)_(126/171)-(42/29)
        Ki 61______(46/69)__(0/1)___(61/46)__(57/94)__(32/22)
        A6M2______(38/40)__(0/0)___(17/13)__(41/66)__(12/10)


TOUR 9: 11/1/02-12/1/02

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--  (1/0)___________________N1K2--  (2/0)
F6F-5--  (613/450)_______________Ki 61--(205/240)
F4u-1D- (0/0)___________________A6M5b-(290/342)
F4F- -     (0/0)___________________A6M2-- (579/394)
FM2--     (124/100)

INDIVIDUAL:    F4u-1 v.  F4u-1D v.    F6F-5 v.     F4F v.   FM2 v.
        N1K2_______(0/0)___(0/0)____(0/0)____(0/0)__(0/0)
        A6Mb5_____(0/0)___(0/0)__(271/212)__(0/0)__(53/54)
        Ki 61_______(0/0)___(0/0)___(193/167)_(0/0)__(20/26)
        A6M2______(0/0)___(0/0)____(21/6)___(0/0)__(3/2)


TOUR 10: 12/1/02-1/11/03

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--  (0/0)__________________N1K2--  (467/390)
F6F-5--  (176/127)______________Ki 61--   (137/147)
F4u-1D- (0/0)__________________A6Mb5-   (180/320)
F4F--    (35/49)_________________A6M2--    (0/0)
FM2--    (1031/754)

INDIVIDUAL:     F4u-1 v.  F4u-1D v.    F6F-5 v.     F4F v.    FM2 v.
         N1K2_______(0/0)____(0/0)____(54/45)__(0/0)___(0/0)
         A6Mb5_____(0/0)____(0/0)____(62/35)___(0/0)___(0/0)
         Ki 61_______(0/0)____(0/0)____(22/27)__(0/0)___(0/0)
         A6M2______(0/0)____(0/0)____(0/0)_____(0/0)___(0/0)


TOUR 11: 1/1/03-2/2/03

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--  (429/306)______________N1K2--  (782/585)
F6F-5--  (615/505)______________ki 61--  (1029/738)
F4u-1D--(11/19)________________A6Mb5- (1405/1357)
F4F--      (649/801)______________A6M2--  (145/285)
FM2--     (407/355)

INDIVIDUAL:     F4u-1 v.   F4u-1D v.    F6F-5 v.         F4F v.    FM2 v.
          N1K2______(6/1)_____(2/3)____(0/3)_____(0/0)___(0/0)
          A6Mb5__(202/127)____(3/5)__(216/181)_(324/415)_(0/0)
          Ki 61____(99/89)_____(0/3)__(151/175)_(142/245)_(0/0)
          A6M2____(21/3)______(0/0)__(40/16)____(60/33)__(0/0)


TOUR 12: 2/3/03-2/27/03

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--  (0/1)____________________N1K2--  (0/0)
F6F-5--  (1/1)____________________Ki 61--   (0/0)
F4u-1D- (0/0)____________________A6Mb5-  (4/3)
F4F--      (0/0)______________________A6M2-(2159/1580)
FM2--    401/213

INDIVIDUAL:      F4u-1 v.    F4u-1D v.   F6F-5 v.      F4F v.      FM2 v.
          N1K2______(0/0)_____(0/0)_____(0/0)___(0/0)___(0/0)
          A6Mb5_____(0/0)_____(0/0)_____(0/0)___(0/0)__(0/0)
          Ki 61______(0/0)_____(0/0)_____(0/0)___(0/0)___(0/0)
          A6M2______(0/0)_____(0/0)_____(0/0)___(0/0)__(0/0)


TOUR 13:  3/3/03-3/30/03

TOTALS:  
F4u-1--   (53/15)___________________N1K2--  (0/1)
F6F-5--   (0/0)_____________________Ki 61--   (48/9)
F4u-1D-  (1/5)_____________________A6Mb5-   (1/3)
F4F--    (1763/1794)________________A6M2- (2080/2006)

INDIVIDUAL:    F4u-1 v.   F4u-1D v.     F6F-5 v.      F4F v.     FM2 v.
          N1K2______(0/0)_____(0/0)____(0/0)__(0/0)___(0/0)
          A6Mb5_____(0/0)_____(0/0)____(0/0)__(2/1)___(0/0)
          Ki 61______(0/2)_____(0/0)____(0/0)__(7/32)__(0/0)
          A6M2_____(44/8)_____(0/0)___(0/0)_(1303/1235)_(0/0)



Well, thats it....let's hear the comments:cool:
« Last Edit: April 06, 2003, 09:33:43 PM by 1Duke1 »
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2003, 04:37:11 AM »
well, crappola....just saw that how I typed the msg in is not the way it came out:mad: Sorry about that...


Too tired to fix it now, getting ready to get off watch....will mess with it later.  Those who take a look at it, hope you can figure it out.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2003, 12:54:59 PM »
If I read it right, the IJ planes ( KI-61, N1J2 ) have better K/D ratio than the F4-u and F6:p

Maybe ole blue isn't so uber  :D

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2003, 01:31:36 PM »
I think statistics are pretty useless in all of AH arenas. One must ask him self how these victories/deaths are achieved? At any given time you can log into the CT and see basically only one method of flying, "Kill then be killed". This reflects greatly on how good or bad the statistics look! If the IJN greatly out numbers the USN and are doing a great deal of base capping, vulching etc it makes the statistics look bad for the USN birds. Same thing if it is turned the other way. If you have a never ending "hampsterwheel" furball its a matter of kill then be killed, again leading the "numbers" advantage of the victories/deaths statistics making it look as if one side has a misleading advantage.
This brings up the latest removal of the P-40E. Correct me if I am wrong but Brady removed it because the IJN CV keeps re-spawning at A32? Well, if so this is what I see. I see the IJN bringing in the CV just off the coast of A32 then having the never-ending hampsterwheel between 32 and the CV. The AAA at the CV pretty much keeps the allies away from it as well as grabbing altitude due to the flack. The IJN is then able to make kill then be killed runs on the field until the AAA is dead so they can vulch. I don’t necessarily mean killing as they depart, but always keeping the advantage of altitude. Well, even if the P-40E was not removed, it is a bit hard to grab the much-needed altitude to be able to fight the A6M2. If you removed the F4F instead of the P-40E you would see more IJN victories at that given field.
This also brings into account the fact that the closer any CV gets to any field, the side that has the CV has the advantage thus making the statistics a bit misleading. For gameplay the A6M2 is a good match for the F4F but only with the current furballing mentality. If the A6M2 did not have its over-modeled dive speed and tank like structure, the F4F would eat its lunch if flown properly. This along with poor Internet connections, frame rates, and excessive nose bounce etc makes it impossible for me to dogfight in a turn fight. However, as is with many AH aircraft, during squad nights, both axis and allied these and many unsaid misrepresentations makes for many of the argument posts I see in here.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2003, 03:04:49 PM by CurtissP-6EHawk »

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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2003, 04:34:24 PM »
1Duke1,
Thanks for looking all of this stuff up and posting the results.
In contrast to P6EHawk, I find them to be interesting and useful (a little hard to read/interpret however).

While K/D stats can clearly be misleading for many reasons, they are real numbers that reflect what really happens in the CT.  They do not always point out which side has the best plane, or which side has the more pilots, but they DO help point out when a set up is balanced as far as game play goes.  

It can be argued that one side has faster planes, more pilots, better base position (and CVs), a better mix of E and A planes, better armed planes, more experienced players, etc.  However, if a side has a K/D that is near 1.0, then that’s a good indication that the plane set was balanced, ALL things considered (no matter how good either side’s whines sounded).  If one side has a K/D of  0.5, then that’s a good indication that their complaints about balance were valid, and (most importantly) changes should be made the next time that set up comes around.

Without such stats, all that we have are a bunch of opinions, with nothing to back them up.

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2003, 05:20:25 PM »
Ugghh tooo much like descriptive statistics fer me but nice work Duke

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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2003, 06:32:45 PM »
(a little hard to read/interpret however).



Yeah, I know....when I typed it in the msg block it looked all nice and neat.   Posted it and then went on to other things...came back and saw how it actually looked on the board.

Just got back on watch again, so after I get settled, I will try and make it a little more readable.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2003, 09:34:15 PM »
Ok, just finished editing....much more readable now :D
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2003, 10:53:12 PM »
Yep I read it right;)

Big Blue aint so uber after all;) :D