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Offline Siaf__csf

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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2003, 06:24:52 AM »
"U.S. military officers said on Monday first tests on substances found in a central Iraqi town suggested the presence of banned chemical agents -- but said they could turn out to be simple pesticides. "

Read the last sentence again. Then read it again.

They did _not_ find any WMD whatsoever so far. Judging from the pre-war reports, Iraq should have been full of the stuff.

They have you by the chain.

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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2003, 06:32:21 AM »
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"U.S. military officers said on Monday first tests on substances found in a central Iraqi town suggested the presence of banned chemical agents -- but said they could turn out to be simple pesticides. "

Read the last sentence again. Then read it again.

They did _not_ find any WMD whatsoever so far. Judging from the pre-war reports, Iraq should have been full of the stuff.

They have you by the chain.


They dont need no stinking facts!!!

FOX's word is enough.

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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2003, 06:33:33 AM »
Don't be so proud of english being the "lingua franca", maybe it's just because it's so ridiculously simple that any retard can learn it. Sort of a "lowest common denominator" :cool:

About the rest, what StSanta said... grow up guys. Thanks god for people like Midnight Target, SMB Sandman etc... they keep me from really hating the USA.

We didn't want the war, because people would be dead as a result. Thousands have died. So we were right. We didn't want the USA to attack, we didn't want Saddam to "win". Life isn't a football game.

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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2003, 06:40:32 AM »
[We didn't want the war, because people would be dead as a result. Thousands have died. So we were right. We didn't want the USA to attack, we didn't want Saddam to "win". Life isn't a football game.
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Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?

Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?

Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?


NO NO NO

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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2003, 06:57:58 AM »
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Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?

Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?

Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?


NO NO NO


Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?

Who knows? we did'nt try.

Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?

NO

Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?

There's a difference in who pulled the trigger?

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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2003, 07:06:19 AM »
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Could we resolve the problem peacefully ?

Who knows? we did'nt try.

Would saddam go away if we ask him nicely?

NO

Would there be less than thousend death if we let the regime continue?

There's a difference in who pulled the trigger?


We tried for 12 years. But you forget that, eh? You also forget that this war could easily have been avoided by Hussein. He could merely have complied with the '91 agreements at any time during those 12 years.

No, he wasn't going away.

The difference in who pulled the trigger is this. In a short while, the Coalition war against Hussein and his henchmen will be over. Without that, the Hussein war against his own Iraqi people would go on indefinitely.

I think we've ploughed this ground enough. You can excuse anything Hussein did and that will never change. You have a right to look the other way and feel superior about doing so.
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2003, 07:19:55 AM »
I know it used to be Spanish SAW, but I think the computer age pushed English over the top.  I have no idea if that's fact or not.

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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2003, 07:50:53 AM »
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We tried for 12 years. But you forget that, eh? You also forget that this war could easily have been avoided by Hussein. He could merely have complied with the '91 agreements at any time during those 12 years.


No, we did'nt try, the embargo was a joke, as all the s..t is flying between western countries shows.

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No, he wasn't going away.


for sure, and we can open a discussion on what can be done in such cases, cooperating, instead of fighting, to find a better solution than bombs.

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The difference in who pulled the trigger is this. In a short while, the Coalition war against Hussein and his henchmen will be over. Without that, the Hussein war against his own Iraqi people would go on indefinitely.


I still want this thing ending with Hussein out of the play and as quickest as possible with minimal losses to ALL parties involved.
Dont try to label me as Hussein friend, you will insult your own inteligence doing that.

Still there have been someone phisically pulling that trigger.

IMHO,

"We are trying our best to avoid unnecessary deaths, but, since we are not perfect, we made mistakes, and those civilians deaths are our responsability, we will do our best to improve in efficiency"

instead of

"Blame Saddam!! He pulled the trigger!! I was watching Al-jazeera and they for sure put some subliminal image ordering me to drop the bomb on that house!! The Iraqi information minister hypnotized me!!! At the end they were only a bunch of ragheads"

Bad PR?

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I think we've ploughed this ground enough. You can excuse anything Hussein did and that will never change. You have a right to look the other way and feel superior about doing so.


Again you are falling in the mistake to accusing me to defend Saddam.

Drop that Black and White filter out your eyes, and start looking the others in full colors.

And dont look at me when you talk about "feeling superior", I accept critics, and I admit when I am wrong, something that seem soooo rare here.

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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2003, 08:15:10 AM »
CentCom HAS said that unfortunately, civilian casualties are inevitable.

Their position is:

We don't target civilians.
Mistakes happen when you are fighting in urban areas.
Saddam DOES use civilians as shields, increasing the chances they will be hurt.

Saddam hides arms in schools and hospitals, for crying out loud.  Perhaps instead of screaming the coalition is inept, they should be condemning Saddam's tactics.

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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2003, 01:38:38 PM »
Naso i just compare Saddam with Nazi's like mussolini and hitler and he can be compared.

Now would u do buisness with Saddam?

I wouldn't, just let his corpse rot in hell.

Ur peacefull thought would have cost thousends of lives
Thank u

Politically it always stinks but the cause is definitly GOOD.

Thinkin u can solve the regime peacefully is ignorantly stupid.

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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2003, 01:52:44 PM »
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The difference in who pulled the trigger is this. In a short while, the Coalition war against Hussein and his henchmen will be over. Without that, the Hussein war against his own Iraqi people would go on indefinitely.


Toad, you tried to persuade me that Evil Soviet Regime was about to kill me. JFYI: it wasn't.

So far I see brave "coalition" warriors arresting all BAAS party members. Doesn't it remind you of what nazis did to Communists in 1941-44? Is BAAS a criminal organisation, recognized as criminal by international court like NSDAP?

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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2003, 01:57:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Naso
I still want this thing ending with Hussein out of the play and as quickest as possible with minimal losses to ALL parties involved.
Dont try to label me as Hussein friend, you will insult your own inteligence doing that.


My respect, Naso!

It's exactly what I wanted to say about myself.

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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2003, 02:59:25 PM »
Boroda Baath party is like nsdap.
Lotsa similaritys.

People in Iraq have to thnk like party does if not....

People in germany had to think like nazi's or....


They eliminate kurds vice versa jews

etc.

What good did the baath regime for the normal people??

hhhhm not much.

Human rights???

Torture???

Saddam's brother raping teenage girls feeding em to dogs.

Dad and Mom complaining no problem pang pang...


They deserved a peacefull solution :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2003, 04:04:31 PM »
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Toad, you tried to persuade me that Evil Soviet Regime was about to kill me. JFYI: it wasn't.

So far I see brave "coalition" warriors arresting all BAAS party members. Doesn't it remind you of what nazis did to Communists in 1941-44? Is BAAS a criminal organisation, recognized as criminal by international court like NSDAP?


No, it reminds me of what the Allies did to Nazis in 1945

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« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2003, 04:39:17 PM »
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No, we did'nt try, the embargo was a joke, as all the s..t is flying between western countries shows.


Oh yes, we did. Inspectors in, inspectors thrown out by SH. Inspectors in, inspectors out. Embargo? Just which countries were the first to break the embargo? Why the same ones that opposed action after they voted FOR UN SC 1441.

We tried. The world tried as well as the UN can try.. which isn't too good, is it? Not when permanent members of the UN SC won't support the embargo, eh?



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for sure, and we can open a discussion on what can be done in such cases, cooperating, instead of fighting, to find a better solution than bombs.


Oh, we found an easy solution. All that was needed was for SH to comply with the UN resolutions. What could be easier than that? And totally certain to avoid any warfare that way too.

Quit blaming the rest of the world. Blame the guy responsible for all this: SH.

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I still want this thing ending with Hussein out of the play and as quickest as possible with minimal losses to ALL parties involved.


That's what every normal person wanted at the beginning and still wants now.

Further, that's EXACTLY what you are getting. I challenge you to come up with any other Coalition of forces, any other battle plan that would have resulted in lower "losses to ALL parties involved". I had my doubts early on, but Franks & Company has so far done an excellent job on minimizing casualties to ALL parties. My only b tch is that I think a greater use of airpower early on would have saved some Coalition lives and possibly some Iraqi ones as well. The Iraqis may not have fought much if given more "rolling thunder" before shootable targets came at them.

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Dont try to label me as Hussein friend, you will insult your own inteligence doing that.


I haven't called you anything nor labeled you as anything. I let people create their own personas with their own words.

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Still there have been someone phisically pulling that trigger.


Yes, his name was SH. He could have avoided the entire conflict by complying with the UN SC resolutions. He's the one that gave orders to dip people in acid baths and feed real live people into shredders.

Put the blame where it belongs.


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"We are trying our best to avoid unnecessary deaths, but, since we are not perfect, we made mistakes, and those civilians deaths are our responsability, we will do our best to improve in efficiency"


I think Centcom has admitted mistakes when they happened and have been confirmed and they are investigating.. with world news representatives present...  the unconfirmed claims.


[quoteAgain you are falling in the mistake to accusing me to defend Saddam.[/quote]

I'm not accusing you of anything.

You make your own bed here.

Some can look the other way while Iraq deliberately delays compliance with UN SC resolutions on WMD, while SH throws inspectors out, while SH cheats on the terms of the '91 ceasefire.

They can also ignore the proven facts that the guy in charge, SH,  is a genocidal murderer of hundreds of thousands of his own citizens and the person that has killed more Muslims in the last 20 years than any other living person.

They can look the other way and ignore that while criticizing Bush as an imperialist baby killer. And then they fail to see why folks don't take them seriously.

Like I said, everyone paints their own portrait here, not with colors but with words.
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