Author Topic: Med Leauge.. I'm out (Read 850 times)

Hangtime · « **on:** October 21, 2000, 02:32:00 PM »

Gents; I just fired myself.

Sorry.

Way too much fer me... and I don't wish to whine or squeak.. you all know what happened.

Or what didn't happen.

I've learned my lesson.. and will stay well away from these kinds of things in the future.

<S!>

Hang

RAM · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2000, 03:13:00 PM »

Well I heard you saying something about mission planners...But dunno what more happened.

I by myself was a walkon. Flied a 190A5. Got killed by a P38 that sneaked while looking up to other two high cons (<S!> Ice, nice sneak). And reinforced a decision I have.

I wont take part in any scenario that has not a hard ceiling of 20K unless it is a bomber scenario (then its realistic)

Someone heard about 30K-32K fights over italy? and over 35K bombers?...both things happened today over Malta and Sicily...I dont know how do G2s perform at those altitudes, but 190s for sure can't fight there. And that means that half the fighter force of the LW is next to useless.

I have seen a lot of good things in this scenario, like good organization, coordination and good plans of action.

But the desire of the allied fighter force to go over 30K (And I say :well over 30K) made a fight impossible. I don't blame anyone, it was the settings and I accept it.

I told Zigrat about this and he answered me that "if we set the HC lower then the P38 aren't in their best altitude".

Well, P38s can be an incrediby tough foe low on the deck and up to 20K too. 190 is innofensive at an altitude where to go over 200IAS in a 190 is to feel like a ferrari.

Was fun, but could'be been way better for a big part of us. <S!> all anyway.

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-21-2000).]

Fatty · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2000, 03:58:00 PM »

Hang, if it's too much work, then take a break, but if it's backlash from people flying in it, screw em, or nominate them run it. I don't see anyone else offering to take over.

Wilfrid · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:08:00 PM »

Hangtime,
Please promptly unfire yourself. Speaking for the 346th BG (B17`s), we obliterated and captured both targets set for us - the 326th gooned well and Frenchies P47 escorts did their jobs in the face of sacrifice. We returned to base 100% no casualties - successful mission. Your plan worked a treat, and we need more like `em.

Wilfrid

XO 346th BG

Hangtime · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:10:00 PM »

Don't matter.. I'm out. I didn't ask fer the job; didn't want the job in the first place.

I don't fly this sim to get aggravated and annoyed..

Damn; glad you guys in the 346th got to and accomplished your objectives; makes me proud. WTG. You guys have never falterd; planned and briefed your missions superbly and did the job like pros. Rest of you should take note.. these guys have it on the ball.

Thanks for you co-operation and support! And best of luck on the upcomming sets!

Hang

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wolf37 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:20:00 PM »

hi all:

to start with, hang, if you want, i will be glad to help you out. it will take some time yes, but we can make it work. let me know.

second, if hang does not return, well then i will give it a go, and will take any help at all.

last, RAM, dont go whinning off about the allied forces up over 30k. the axis force head straight for that high alt as well. the raeson is simple.
everybody knows the other guy is way up there. my squad found a squad of 109's that had alt advangte on us, and we where at 27k.
so dont being saying its the allied forces that are way up there only. I would love to see a 15 to 20 k cap in here. hell, id rather fight at 1k rather then 20k. but it is all the squads heading for the high alt so they wont get bounced.

wolf37

RAM · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:28:00 PM »

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Originally posted by wolf37:
last, RAM, dont go whinning off about the allied forces up over 30k. the axis force head straight for that high alt as well. the raeson is simple.
everybody knows the other guy is way up there. my squad found a squad of 109's that had alt advangte on us, and we where at 27k.
so dont being saying its the allied forces that are way up there only. I would love to see a 15 to 20 k cap in here. hell, id rather fight at 1k rather then 20k. but it is all the squads heading for the high alt so they wont get bounced.

wolf37

I dont whine. I only say that I had fun but could have been much better.

And to the other thing, you say we went straight up to 30K. True. Because we knew you were all coming at 32K.

That is the reason I want a hard ceiling. That way noone will go up to 30k because its forbidden

. So you are only giving me the reason

StSanta · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:30:00 PM »

wolf, that's where a hard ceiling comes in - no one WILL be bounced.

The fight is uneven enough as it is without the LW not being able to actually go on the offensive when encountering enemies.

I led SG4 around very carefully, conserving airframes for a later frame where hopefully we will have an opportunity to fight back.

I kept at 8k over a friendly base, and naturally was accused of ack hugging, which I was doing.

We were ALWAYS on the defensive. As the last two frames has shown; give us a fighting chance, and we will take it.

But 190s are total pigs above 25k. At 30k, auto level can send the damned thing into a spin. I lost 8k this way.

So, a hard celing would make it more fun for both LW and allieds, since the allieds would actually have to check their sixes.

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wolf37 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:39:00 PM »

then lets put in a hard ceiling of 15k

wolf37

Camel · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:44:00 PM »

Got drafted (thanks Wolf), and had a blast!

<S> all you 109's that was a great furball, and smart flying!

Camel

ra · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:50:00 PM »

Hard ceiling sounds like a bad idea to me, except for buffs. Fighters should be allowed to go as high as they want. And yes, 190A's are pretty useless up high.

ra

Hangtime · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2000, 04:54:00 PM »

Since I'm out.. I have no voice.

However; allow me to point out that if this is supposed to be something even remotely resembling a WWII era scenario, then alt caps are absurd.

Soon as they get established; the next thing we'll hear will be 'you were too high; you cheat; wannnh wannh wannh'.

As it is now the number of provisional and 'permanant' ROE changes; this 'mission planner' nonsense as well as 'timing' issues have already made the complictaions too many. Add on CO's not showing; CO's not responding to emails; CO's ignoring comm setups, Planners not advising HQ of new pre-game requirements, not responding to emails, incorrectly set Arenas; radar anomolies; enemy factories and ack complexes located adjacent to friendly fields, etc etc have robbed me of every iota of fun there may have been initially.

I just wanna fly. Not get annoyed. I fly this sim to work off stress.. not compound it.

The potential is here for a really good immersive experience. I hope my replacement fares better in this enviornment and finds a way to get the guys supposedly 'in charge' to take charge and manage their squads as well as the 346th and 234th has... and I hope they get that damn arena fixed. 4 sessions with hostile acks next to friendly bases is 3 too many.

<S!<> All.. hope there's no ill will; I have none.

Hang

214thCavalier · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2000, 05:01:00 PM »

Yea ok that woukld totally negate any advantage the 38 has over c205 for example.
As it was patrolling the western sector tasked to bomber intercept cruising at 30k in our 4 P38's instead of what should have been 8 P38, we encountered 7 or 8 HIGHER C205 !
So pls dont complain of Alt dweeb allies, we dragged em west obviously was the air cover for the raids near our HQ, its a pity nobody was in control of our war effort and assigned an intercept cos we dragged the fighters away.
After extending and returning at 32k well damn me what do we see higher C205 again !
As for a lower hard ceiling do that and the P38 has no advantages with C205 at all worth talking of.
According to my charts from AH btw the P38 should be faster near the deck but that did not stop 3 or 4 C205 slowly catching me and eventually removing my tail.

RAM · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2000, 05:05:00 PM »

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier:
So pls dont complain of Alt dweeb allies

I don't complain. You have planes that fight well at all altitudes and I love a plane that over 10K starts to lose engine power and that over 15K simply sucks.

You flew at an altitude where you know that you negate any effectiveness of half the LW fighter force. You did the smart thing. but in mediterranean I doubt there were many fights over 30K...in Med most engagements were at low level.

It is part of the game and I accept like it is. So I wont fly again a scenario unless there is a hard ceiling that I think its fair for all parts. No hard ceiling, for sure, isnt fair IMO.

I dont know how am I complaining here...I only say that I want to get fun and if I see that I wont have it, I wont fly, nothing else

Oh ,and P38 will lose advantage against C205 over 25K...190s lose advantage over 10K against ALL planes. So that is not an argument.

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-21-2000).]

Sunchaser · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2000, 05:38:00 PM »

Hangtime, stay

Ram, what bombers were over 35,000 feet?

The B17s climbed to and bombed from 26,000 feet and your statement is an outright lie unless you saw B26s or Ju88s at over 35,000 feet.

You cast dispersions like rice at a wedding with little regard for accuracy and I usually ignore your posts because I got really short boots and the roadkill overflows the tops about 1 sentence into the text.

If you do not like the rules take yer marbles{whats left of them} and go home.

CAPS??
Those are for wearing on your head, not for WWII Historical {as far is possible with present plane lineup} Airplane scenarios.

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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?