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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2003, 09:40:34 AM »
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pose cette bouteille tout de suite !

Serioulsy now ,I don't pretend such think, I just said that some French were on you side but your media were so noisy/buzy bashing us that none noticed that.

Again I was (and I'm still) anti-war without UN mandat(*).

Is that clear ?

(*) my very own position still standing.

 

Exact there is a lot more Algerian-Morroco population in Paris suburbs and as in USA citizen living in big town tend to be more on the left than in the countryside.

 

yep, in fact we share a lot of things.

The real shocking fact for me was the incredible amount of French bashing revealed ...
I know some american still picture us as stinking arrogant bastard but I was not figuring it was a national sport.


Well Straffo... you have to admit most French seem to look upon American "Culture" like one would look at something they steped in. The sad fact is that most French I have met have always reinforced that attitude. I'm talking French Officers, and at least one French Bartender waaaay down south.

I think the attitude of your leadership didnt help alot ethier. Americans felt betrayed. I'm amazed Germany didnt catch more grief.

I will say that my observations/interactions w/the French on this board ie yourself and Frenchy have allways been mostly postive w/some exceptions of course. We simply drift on the far side of the Political spectrum. This is a good thing...balance is needed in the world.
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2003, 10:07:53 AM »
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Well Straffo... you have to admit most French seem to look upon American "Culture" like one would look at something they steped in. The sad fact is that most French I have met have always reinforced that attitude. I'm talking French Officers, and at least one French Bartender waaaay down south.


Believe it or not I'm not against eating a hamburger for exemple and I'm not alone ;).
The american bashing is a speciality of Extreme-left and  surprisingly extreme-right in France the average "joe" (Jean in french ;)) just don't care.
The culture defense is done by some elitist parisian groups trying to preserve their interrest without even trying to make a single effort.
Not that I disagree complelty we have to find some way to preserve our difference but their lobbying is plain boring.

I don't think the average French citizen is very different from the US one (except obvious thinks like language and some background)

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I think the attitude of your leadership didnt help alot ethier. Americans felt betrayed. I'm amazed Germany didnt catch more grief.

I was astonished by this feeling as for me it was not a betraying but more the affirmation that we think differently

The actuall outcome of Iraq war look to be quite good ,it's in fact less human costly than a revolution and better it work !

So I was wrong when thinking that was the way to lead to a pan-arabims explosion and a strong nationalistic reaction from the Iraqi.


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I will say that my observations/interactions w/the French on this board ie yourself and Frenchy have allways been mostly postive w/some exceptions of course. We simply drift on the far side of the Political spectrum. This is a good thing...balance is needed in the world.


Yep we are different and it's the reason why the link between our country should be rebuild not forgiving our differences.

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2003, 10:41:16 AM »
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Well Straffo... you have to admit most French seem to look upon American "Culture" like one would look at something they steped in.

I think the attitude of your leadership didnt help alot ethier. Americans felt betrayed.

I will say that my observations/interactions w/the French on this board ie yourself and Frenchy have allways been mostly postive w/some exceptions of course.  


hmm wierd...american culture looks upon the French in the same way.....dog chit.

Ireally do hope you feel betrayed....cause you did the same too me....

I really hope I'm the exception....see I don't have the big body of water to seperate us....

I get your watermelon 24/7......and I get watermelon from all of you on this board....but unlike straffo....I interact much more with americans then he does.....

and the attitude was mostly negative.....some french suck....but so do alot of you americans.....

suck it up chump.....

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2003, 10:51:58 AM »
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hmm wierd...american culture looks upon the French in the same way.....dog chit.

Ireally do hope you feel betrayed....cause you did the same too me....

I really hope I'm the exception....see I don't have the big body of water to seperate us....

I get your watermelon 24/7......and I get watermelon from all of you on this board....but unlike straffo....I interact much more with americans then he does.....

and the attitude was mostly negative.....some french suck....but so do alot of you americans.....

suck it up chump.....


ROTFL.... could you pleassssssseeeeee snivvveellllllllll some more.

I'm sorry that YOU personaly feel betrayed. Seek help ... the "feel sorry for me posts" are getting a tad lame.
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2003, 10:58:26 AM »
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Believe it or not I'm not against eating a hamburger for exemple and I'm not alone ;).
The american bashing is a speciality of Extreme-left and  surprisingly extreme-right in France the average "joe" (Jean in french ;)) just don't care.
The culture defense is done by some elitist parisian groups trying to preserve their interrest without even trying to make a single effort.
Not that I disagree complelty we have to find some way to preserve our difference but their lobbying is plain boring.

I don't think the average French citizen is very different from the US one (except obvious thinks like language and some background)

 
I was astonished by this feeling as for me it was not a betraying but more the affirmation that we think differently

The actuall outcome of Iraq war look to be quite good ,it's in fact less human costly than a revolution and better it work !

So I was wrong when thinking that was the way to lead to a pan-arabims explosion and a strong nationalistic reaction from the Iraqi.


 

Yep we are different and it's the reason why the link between our country should be rebuild not forgiving our differences.


Straffo.

The hardest part is going to be the rebuild of Iraq. I feel the TRUE test will be there. I could really careless if France gets a piece of the pie so to speak. Well..it rankles me some but if Iraq comes out as a strong force for Democracy then its all good. Everyone will benefit.

The only problem I see w/Iraq being prosperous are the several of the nations she borders with. This could all resolve itself as well... people see the other side being fat and happy they want it too.
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2003, 11:33:57 AM »
The only Europeans anyone can trust are the Danes.

And they can only be trusted to be sexually promiscuous.

But that ain't too bad, if you ask me, who live and...well, do stuff here.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2003, 12:48:00 PM »
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I think the attitude of your leadership didnt help alot ethier. Americans felt betrayed. I'm amazed Germany didnt catch more grief.



Perhaps it was because it wasn't Germany's country we saved
twice in the last century.

Only to have the graves of those who sacrificed for their benifit desicrated.


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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2003, 01:28:05 PM »
eh, we helped liberate Germany from a monster in 1945; too bad Britain and France didnt mobilize reserves when he marched into the Rhineland in the 30's; then the German Army would have done it for us.

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2003, 01:53:05 PM »
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Perhaps it was because it wasn't Germany's country we saved
twice in the last century.

Only to have the graves of those who sacrificed for their benifit desicrated.


Wab


Obviously you don't know how to count properly ...

Or you were speaking of your 1917 intervention of soldier without guns and cannon ?

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too bad Britain and France didnt mobilize reserves when he marched into the Rhineland in the 30's; then the German Army would have done it for us.


should I remember the Sarre again ?

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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2003, 03:57:39 PM »
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Or you were speaking of your 1917 intervention of soldier without guns and cannon ?


Exactly the response I'd expect from the ungrateful decendents of cheese-eating surrender monkeys.


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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2003, 04:36:46 PM »
Amazing that these guys can take Madelin's statement and turn it into an anti-France thread.

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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2003, 01:36:37 AM »
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Exactly the response I'd expect from the ungrateful decendents of cheese-eating surrender monkeys.


Wab


So what was the origin of 81 % of you planes ?
What was the origin of many gun and cannon used by the  2nd DIUS ?



ps : funked I'm not attempting to bash the US but more to piss and educate an idiot.
I know of Bois Belleau and other part were the 4th USMC brigrade  fighted.
I've knowledge of the 1500+ croix de guerre awarded to the marines
But mister wabbit look to know nothing.

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2003, 01:44:41 AM »
at the point the United States intervened in 1917, France and Britain were plenty glad to have our boys, with or without guns and cannon.  Would anyone like to do a time experiment where we dont come in?  [Visualizes pic of Kaiser Wilhelm and aides with Eiffel Tower in background after the Michael Offensive- maybe yes, maybe no]

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2003, 01:53:44 AM »
Exact,
but it's inexact to pretend that the sole intervention of the US ended the war.


At the time the intervention was authorized by the congress the US army was looking like a "tramp" army than anything.

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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2003, 02:02:02 AM »
well, I'd have to say the additional American troops helped quite a bit to break the back of the German Army in summer/fall of 1918.  Now without the US, Germany might still have lost the war, or there might have been a more evenly negotiated peace, or mutinies might have broken out in the French or British army before the revolution broke out in Germany.  At the least, the US entry helped very much to counteract the German troops shifted from the east, which otherwise looked a very dangerous development in 1918.