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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2003, 11:19:53 AM »
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funny you should look in your own backyard.....

some of your own companies had dealings with Irak....boycott them too....


Really?  Which ones?

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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2003, 11:24:43 AM »
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both sides in the palestinian israli conflict have lost all credibility in my eyes.

i flat refuse to look upon a nation that elects as it's chief politician a genuine bomb tossing terrorist as an ally. I see no diffrence between charon and arafat. None.

Instead, I'm lookin at isreal with american eyeballs.. peace and stability are my new watchwords.. those that threaten it are american adversarys.

A peace treaty was signed. Time to enforce it.. at the point of a gun if necessary. Every settlement raised under Charons proxy is another bomb earmarked for an american building, thanks to our blind support for a regime in israel that sponsors blatant racisim.

Hangtime




Dammit Hang, I AM NOT THE LEADER OF ISRAEL! :) Though I do like a good blintz.

What about mainland China? Not too long ago we saw tanks grinding democracy loving protesters into the pavement of Tiennimen square, toppling their crudely made but heartfelt Statue of Liberty. Not to mention their ICBMs, provocations and a desire for Taiwan that is never far from the surface. They repress many of their their citizens to this day.

However, PRC represents perhaps the major untapped market in the world today. To ignore it, or economically punish it, is to give up potentially enormous market share (should they ever decide to seriously deregulate their internal markets). So, we complain and moan from time to time, but bend over backwards to make sure our corporations get their piece of the pie. This has bugged me for a while, and it kinda makes it hard for me to really get all that pissed off about France.

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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2003, 11:30:16 AM »
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Really?  Which ones?


Seconded here SLO, which companies had (clarifying) illegal deals with Iraq? As they say, put up or shut up.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2003, 12:03:38 PM by AKIron »
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2003, 11:51:25 AM »
Why does this same argument continue day after day after day???

It's simple....the US is not liked now and was not liked 10 years ago by many in Europe....has it gotten worse? Sure.

The overwhelming majority of Americans would prefer peace and good relations with nations like France, Germany and Russia.....will we call each other friends when in reality you can't stand us or stand up with us regarding geopolitical concerns....we have for years.

The difference now is this....the nations mentioned above, not only disagreed with us, but purposely intervened in an effort to stop us....nothing wrong with that?

Well, here's what's wrong with that....the same overwhelming majority of Americans that prefer peace, won't sit back and continue to call you our friends inspite of your behavior to effect our foreign policy. In other words, we will do what is in the United States best interest, which if those nations goverments had any common sense, they would realize that in the long term it would serve their best interests as well.

Now some of you who love to bring up the sins of the past to justify you statements can continue to do so....it won't change the fact that the current US President intends to protect AMERICAN interests before catering to the likes of nations whom could care less about us or future long term relations between the same.

Don't like the sound of that....well that's too bad....I bet the US's chances of survival are slightly higher than Europes or Russia's if we have to face life on our own, even though it would benefit all us much more so to just get along.

Oh well, there will be another thread tomorrow with someone sittin behind a puter in Europe, telling us how bad we are and how we should live and view our lives....nice to be free huh?

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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2003, 12:03:11 PM »
exactly rude.


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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2003, 01:14:10 PM »
few more links.....


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/bush-j09.shtml

damn can't find the article from Mr. Dobbs from CNN...he reported on the shady dealing of american companies with Iraq.....

well back to my search.....

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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2003, 01:16:39 PM »
According to the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs chaired  by Donald W. Riegle  American companies supplied Iraq's biological, chemical and nuclear programs, these reports are nearly a decade old.

The Reagan and Bush Administrations approved 771 export licenses for Iraq-239 of these approvals came from the  Bush Administration.

This would lend more credibility to the Tageszeitung (Berlin daily) story which lists 24 American companies that enabled Iraq's WMD programs. The list comes from the original Iraqi report to the Security Council before it was censored by the American govn't.


"A - nuclear K - chemical B - biological R -rockets
(missiles)

1)Honeywell (R,K)
2)Spektra Physics (K)
3)Semetex (R)
4)TI Coating (A,K)
5)UNISYS (A,K)
6)Sperry Corp. (R,K)
7)Tektronix (R,A)
8)Rockwell )(K)
9)Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
10)Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
11)Hewlett Packard (A.R,K)
12)Dupont (A)
13)Eastman Kodak (R)
14)American Type Culture Collection (B)
15)Alcolac International (C)
16) Consarc (A)
17) Carl Zeis -U.Ss (K)
18)Cerberus (LTD) (A)
19)Electronic Assiciates (R)
20)International Computer Systems
21)Bechtel (K)
22)EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R)
23)Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
24)Axel Electronics Inc. (A)

Additionally to these 24 companies based in the USA, are led in the Iraqi arms report nearly 50 subsidiaries of foreign enterprises up , their arms co-operation with the Iraq is operated from the USA. In addition, Ministries for defense, become energy, trade and agriculture as well as the nuclear weapon laboratories Lawrence Livermore. Los Alamos and Sandia are designated as suppliers for the Iraqi arms programs for A-B and C-weapons as well as for rockets.

The list includes 150 foreign companies from America, Britain, Germany and France, that supported Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programs."

German involvement outstripped that of all the other countries put together.

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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2003, 01:27:55 PM »
http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Iraq/031903_cheneys_lies_about_halliburton.htm


nope the Bush Admin. is not corrupt......:rolleyes:


http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm


http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm


this is a jewel...your sanitized papers never gave you....note the date of dealings.....haliburton 2000

http://www.cbc.ca/insite/COMMENTARY/2003/2/20.html

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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2003, 01:38:42 PM »
Like I said before....keep bringing up the past and ignore the efforts to correct poor decisions in the past.

Slo...do you live in some utopia where the world is good....mankind at their hearts are currupt, yet you seem so suprised.

No American will look you in the eye and say we are void of errors in judgement or are innocent, however, we do get out there and try to fix whats broken....ya see, when you're actually doing something, chances are you're going to err sooner or later....sittin on your bellybutton criticizing everyone around you is free.

Enjoy your freedom.

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2003, 01:53:46 PM »
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Like I said before....keep bringing up the past and ignore the efforts to correct poor decisions in the past.

Slo...do you live in some utopia where the world is good....mankind at their hearts are currupt, yet you seem so suprised.

No American will look you in the eye and say we are void of errors in judgement or are innocent, however, we do get out there and try to fix whats broken....ya see, when you're actually doing something, chances are you're going to err sooner or later....sittin on your bellybutton criticizing everyone around you is free.

Enjoy your freedom.


lol your funny Rude......

Canadians died giving me my freedom chump....not Americans.....suck it up bob

hmm more like I'm bringing down your utopia sentiments Rude....thats why I posted those links.....

well you just seem to forget very quickly your past and live for only the current day....which 1 day it will bite ya in the arse...remember 9/11


and as for criticizing...see I'm aloud to that.....see...ya can't do anything about that....see...only the skuzz-god can do that......see....come try taking it from me......see...ya might find I'm not some half starvin Iraqis.....see...but I MIGHT be 6'5" with bigger arms then your legs....see....and If you touch my freedom......see......I'll break ya in 1/2....see.....ain't the internet fun:D

relax rude.....try getting your info OUTSIDE the US...ya might get a few surprises....

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2003, 02:37:07 PM »
Well...what I said is simply true, whether you get it or not....what you replied was easy and convenient. Guess ya missed the part about the US having made errors in judgement in the past...or maybe you just like to sit on, I'm certain a most well rounded, hard and chisled buttocks(you know, to match that big 6'5" frame of yours)and stir up a little hatred towards us folks down south?

I suppose in your eye's, we make mistakes, but should do nothing to correct those mistakes? Or are you saying that we should be breaking Iraqi's in half rather than trying to deliver on our promise of a free Iraq?

As to 9/11...ya got a kick out that one eh?

And finally, how you get I have a utopian view of this world is beyond me....perhaps your 6'5" people snappin frame should have grown some grey matter sufficient to post something other than a great big ol mess of cheap talk.

Man...this board.

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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2003, 03:10:21 PM »
Rude Rude Rude...damn you are rude:p

lets not get into name calling and such....childish wouldn't you say......take it lightly bud....just having fun.


but if as you say you are tryin to make AMENDS for past mistakes.....then please explain to me WHY Haliburton got a contract in IRAQ after 1 week of war....

explain to me why your prez. choose to ignore accusations of insider trading.....

explain to me the magic bullet theory......:D

oh please explain to me why haliburton was selling stuff to Iraq in the year 2000......

but from the above post...links I mean...was posted by me....someone said put up or shud up....so I put up....don't like it...tough....but thats the truth.

I like the way you guys CHOOSE to ignore some interesting stuff....

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« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2003, 03:25:31 PM »
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I wouldn't say we stole the Indian's "country" per say.

Seems to me we got most if not all our land legally.



Roflmao, that is the most stupid statement for the last 20 years :D


Regards Blitz





America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain rediculous .

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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2003, 03:37:09 PM »
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http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Iraq/031903_cheneys_lies_about_halliburton.htm


nope the Bush Admin. is not corrupt......:rolleyes:


http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm


http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm


this is a jewel...your sanitized papers never gave you....note the date of dealings.....haliburton 2000

http://www.cbc.ca/insite/COMMENTARY/2003/2/20.html



Communist sucker :D


Regards Blitz


The very same persons, Cheney, Rumbsfeld a. o. , it's an unbelieveable cheekyness when these guys talk of morality.