Hangtime writes:
Yup. Funny thing about us americans.. we play baseball. When yer at the plate eyeballing the pitcher, the last thing to worry about is what team that assbite played for last season. LOL, aye can relate to that. Our mercenary soccery players do much the same. But at least we hav the decency to booooooh them when they touch the ball playing on their former home stadium. That makes us a more moral people than you Yanks
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We can't do a damn thing about the last 100 years worth of mistakes.. Grandpa always said.. 'cut the cards'. This hand's been dealt. Now we gotta play 'em, and we're not trying to draw to an inside straight. We already hold the aces. Wanna place a bet? For a Yank, you make a lot of sense. And yer way of putting it is very Yank-esque too. Your point is very valid and I read it as you now put it in your first post. Just thought I'd add it to get a perspective on things.
Oh, I dunno.. after two world wars which left our borders unchanged, a coupla gazzzillion billion crisp US dollars spent to preserve the western democracys in the face of world-wide communisim and toltalitarianisim should give us some small bragging rights, doncha think?Yes, IF you are as open about your failures and dirty skunkwork too. Allende, for instance. Pinochet. Aiding the Taliban. Vietnam and the domino effect. And also it'd be nice if there was some kind of recognition of the fact that the US didn't do it all by themselves. But other than that, I agree that you've earned your bragging rights. Bragging can be done tactfully or arrogantly though, without the need to pee on other nations that disagree on certain topics. I.e what I sometimes find lacking in Americans is the ability to put themselves in someone elses shoes and realize that they, too, feel passionately about something - for a reason. Just a wee bit tired of being grouped together with Chirac and his actions. That dude wants the EU to become powerful so he can use it as an extention of France's glory. France isn't a superpower any more. It really isn't that important a country, come to think of it. Anyway, Denmark is far more important because our girls are better looking and not so snobby. Come visit and I'm sure they can show you how friendly our female population can be. Even to runstang driving cat hate/lovers.
Yesterdays French Intrests looked a hell of a lot like the demise of Americas Intrests Tomorrow to me. I dunno what in hell France's problem with pulling the plug outright on Saddam 13 years ago was... I do know we sure as hell did. Don't blame Frances inability to discern saddam as an enemy with ours. When we put him on the 'don't feed this animal' list, the French shoulda started investing in Russian oil pipelines to europe. I don't know how many times the US has run over European interests. American judge Saddam as an immediate, clear and present danger. France doesn't. And to be honest when I first got a hint that Bush was out after Iraq I *laughed* at the idea. Sure he is a murderous tyrant, but an intelligent such if he'd wanted to spread WMDs he could have done it long ago and so forth. So the same situation is evaluated differently, not just because of economy. As we now have seen, what happened in Iraq is part of a much bigger Bush administration agenda/policy - i.e instead of remaining passive and expecting Saddam to behave, the US takes a risk in an attempt to at least control the most obvious areas where WMD might be stored or made.
So I think this is a complex issue with many ingredients. Aye, there is economical issues for France. Then there's pride - France has always been an arrogant country and it has *always* worked semi-against the US. Must annoy the hell out of them that Americans can be less arrogant yet despite their'simple mindedness and lack of sophistication' more powerful. Me, I like seeing Chiraq getting put down. Probably is some Viking instinct in me from back in the days when they intently disliked the 'northern savages'
. Sorry straffo (who might be related to me through rape...err, read 'inter-marriage'.
Yah.. know whatcha mean. Budwieser tastes great unless yer snortin coke. Then it tastes like crap and Heiniken tastes great. Go Figure. ROFL! Hm, haven't tried that, but I assume it is as with Carlsberg and Tuborg. Guess I'll have to go find me a few pounds of the white stuff - in the interest of science, I must throughoutly investigate your claim
Whelp.. if the only cohesive argument to not supporting terror is that we created castro 50 years ago, and the world continues to judge us by allende and noriega then all is lost. If on the other hand we start doing the right thing like pinching the places that breed the disease, and cutting the apron strings to antagonist states like israel, maybe you'll get the resta the way up on the bandwagon and help flog the horses into a gallop. Good point. However, in light of previous incidents and previous American claims ('we're doing this for the greater good of mankind' type arguments) you must understand why there is widespread skepticism towards what the real goals for US administrations are. I mean, Average joe you can sell 'Operation Liberation' crap to, but anyone with a semblance of a mind and a little understanding of REAL LIFE (as in dog eats dog) knows that even 'righteous' nations do what they need to do to keep their people fat and happy.
FWIW, I'm with the US, but I'll judge each situation as it comes. Cannot just hand you a blank check and then trust Bush and his administration. In part because I feel your political system isn't really representative of the people - there's too much money and too few choices and too many obvious lies for me to have any real trust in the American political system. Oddly enough judging by voter apathy, I am not the only one with this attitude. And yes I know I shouldn't meddle in US affairs coz I ain't a yank, but when something interests me or affects me, I meddle anyway. Have a right to an informed opinion and all
If Bush handles NK in an OK way, and IF he puts pressure on Israel, then I shall be impressed by him. NK can be dealt with diplomatically - however there is too much pressure from religious right and Jewish lobbying groups for Bush to really apply pressure on Israel. And I honestly don't think he cares so much about the israeli/Palestinian situation. More like handling it like a neessary evil that must be dealt with, sort of like struggling with 'do I get up to take a piss or do I stay in bed and try to fall asleep?' Status quo is acceptable to him, I think.
But maybe I've misjudged him
If america judged europe by the same wayback machine they use to paint our portraits we'd still be sending bomber harris over berlin every night. We only ask that THIS american administration be judged on the world stage by what it does NOW.. not by what the past ones did. Just as we're judging the French Administration based on what it's doing NOW. Excellent point. An objective person would do just that and I'll strive to do it myself as well as inspiring others to do the same.
Meantime, I hope our boneheaded dimwit of a president really is doing the right thing and is not just another haliburton puppet.
gives me the willies to even murmur it. LOL! This is an EXACT copy of my own thoughts on it. He might be changed from the coke snorting rich playboy he was - I do believe the man came out of that stronger and with integrity. The question is who is really in control. Personally I sense that the pupeteers thought they easily could control Bush. Perhaps they can, but I suspect that they do, to some extent, control him, but they're finding it much more difficult than expected.
We've been grasping for straws ever since Teddy Roosevelt said 'Speak softly, but carry a big stick'. On the BBS, it's YELL AT THE PINHEADS, CAUSE THEY CAN'T READ!ROFL! LOL that's just plain nasty, allied PheegkDogkk!
