Author Topic: Iraqi failures in the war (Read 1442 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:06:20 PM »

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Originally posted by 10Bears
Hmm the son in law of Saddam Gen Kardice (spelling) the one they got most of the info from seemed to think Iraq got rid of it's WMD program in the mid 90s..

This man.. Lt. Gen. Amer al-Saadi is also saying the same thing. Why would he lie now?.. He's in no fear of his life or harm to come to his family.

So Martlet, when you say they didn't comply to 1441... appearently they did.. unless you can prove otherwise.

Actually, I don't have to prove otherwise.

1441 says we KNOW they had WMD, and they have to either:

A. Pony them up

or

B. Show that they've been destroyed.

They've done neither.

Toad · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:06:51 PM »

Time will tell. I could still lose; they might not find the stuff within the time limit. It could easily be in Syria by now. It might not even exist.....but I sure wouldn't bet on that.

Martlet · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2003, 10:09:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Time will tell. I could still lose; they might not find the stuff within the time limit. It could easily be in Syria by now. It might not even exist.....but I sure wouldn't bet on that.

Well, latest report is they found 1000 POUNDS of documents in buried mobile weapons labs.

A FoxNews consultant (take that for what it's worth) says they have 2000 leads from the documents so far.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #18 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:20:41 AM »

When the US and Soviets destroyed long range bombers to comply with treaty obligations, video, satellite overflights, and humans witnessed the 'dismantling' of Bears and B-52s. It is easy to show compliance if you want to.

If Iraq got rid of WMD's all they had to show was the documentation. That would have been simple, and would have quickly taken the wind out of the sails of the military option.

Iraq did not show that they complied with the dozen or so UNSC resolutions that required Iraq's disarmament, and it is as simple as that.

It has only been a few weeks since the start of the campaign, and some pfc doesn't have the time to be looking for WMD's when he is keeping his eyes out for more immediate personal threats.

Once the dust settles a bit, and inspectors start looking in places that Hans Blix and UNSCOM weren't allowed, the true story will come out.

And the biggest Iraqi tactical mistake in the war was being led by someone who has never won a military conflict. (unless he was attacking his own populace)

Mini D · « **Reply #19 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:14:43 AM »

The propaganda comments were correct, but the rest was lacking. The tanks being in the open was irrelevant. They need to be somewhat exposed to be usefull.

The problem you didn't adress that was critical was the air war. The Iraqis did not launch a single fighter the whole conflict. They did not launch many sams either. Basically, they rolled over in that aspect and all else was lost.

The also grossly underestimated the improvements in smart bomb warfare.

MiniD

StSanta · « **Reply #20 on:** April 15, 2003, 05:00:21 AM »

THREAD HIJACKERS!

You bastards. Answer my question or I shall find a way to hijack a train.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #21 on:** April 15, 2003, 05:03:43 AM »

Santa why do you have such an ugly avatar, why did u not make it cool like mine?

Hows that for a double thread hijack?

StSanta · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2003, 11:28:06 AM »

Because mine is cooler. Your shield doesn't have the right angles, you stealer of my idea. I am absolutely convinced I had mine before you did. Sure of it.

Ask the Iraqi Information Minister if you won't take MY word on it.

Furball · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2003, 11:38:05 AM »

biggest mistake the coalition made was not finishing the job the first time around. Would have saved a lot of French bashing

Wlfgng · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2003, 11:39:43 AM »

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The also grossly underestimated the improvements in smart bomb warfare.

that was huge

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:15:17 PM »

Yea you had your first, in fact I was so shocked how smurfy your was I simply had to set things right.

Hristo · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:36:42 PM »

The people were so much fed up with the regime that many of them rather accepted an aggression than fought for their country.

Then again, mob is fickle. Overthrowing staues may be just buying some points for the future, who knows.

Iraq military didn't manage to use its only advantages. Going for urban combat, knowledge of terrain and to inflict casualties at all costs with suicide attacks. Instead, they let their equipment be wiped out in the open like in a video game.

Though, this probably isn't the latest we are hearing from Iraq.

WMDs ? I am surprised they didn't find any yet. Does it take so long to plant something anyway ?

Puke · « **Reply #27 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:12:11 PM »

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So Martlet, when you say they didn't comply to 1441... appearently they did.. unless you can prove otherwise. -10Bears

Iraq was not in compliance. After the cease fire Iraq agreed to after the 1st Gulf War, they cataloged all their weapons including those that were to be destroyed. Some of the WMDs on that list dissapeared, never proven to have been destroyed but never located either. No matter, the proof ended up being on the Iraqi's part that they were destroyed. Why do some of you people have trouble understanding that? Iraq was playing a game and was not forthright.

Also, the UN ended up being just another corrupt entity subjugating the Iraqi people anyway. I shed no tears that the UN's 2.2% profit on the Oil For Food program (while thousands starved) is over. I shed no tears that France, Russia and Germany could hide behind the UN while voilating the UN mandates themselves in clandestine deals which often centered around the sale of weapons is now over. Now the USA has closed off some illegal oil pipeline to Syria from Iraq which the UN never noticed. I'm sure this wasn't hidden as well as a few canisters of chemical weapons. The UN is a dream, it is not an entity looking out for the world's best interest but a bunch of state leaders gathered together each looking after their own best interest. Now that the ugly is about over (this war), Iraq has the opportunity to build for a bright future. The USA actually pulled out its last aircraft from Turkey which were charged with patrolling the No-Fly Zone in Iraq. Hopefully a new dawn approaches. But please give some time so that order can be restored and a serious investigation can take place.

As for why the head of Iraq's nuclear program may be lying, anyone can speculate on that one. #1 is that he is in fear and wants to keep something to barter for his own safety with later.

Vermillion · « **Reply #28 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:29:54 PM »

Back to the subject !

Santa, I believe one of the biggest mistakes that the Iraqi's made, was too assume that there would be a lengthy "air war" of 30-45 days prior to the start of the ground war. This mistake meant that they did not have the time to organize, that they thought they did. And this led to many of the mistakes you listed above. Incomplete C&C, and blowing the bridges, to just name a few.

minus · « **Reply #29 on:** April 15, 2003, 03:00:17 PM »

like to know, what for so many dead

? all this liberation and cataloged stock arms destruction, there was many other ways to doit , it remember me the time when CSSR change at 1990 who haz the real power and who have the ral power now, do you beleve they difrent ?