Author Topic: La7 Offset suggestion (Read 1658 times)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #45 on:** April 17, 2003, 08:41:12 PM »

Are u really asking to perk one of the AH gold mines for HTC?

moot · « **Reply #46 on:** April 17, 2003, 09:10:19 PM »

-I don't believe that you can make a just comparison without taking into consideration the pilot. A WWII plane will not leave the ground without one.

You dont agree a comparison of planes is made with no change in pilot? One variable made varied to measure change in second variable?

Second thing is true for any uber plane, its most true for La7 because it has rocket power and can afford to lose speed on everything it does for a killshot and then take back speed faster than any other. A P40 wont do it, nor a hurricane, nor a spit5 to a lesser degree, nor a P38 to a lesser degree, untill you get to the tiniest degree which is by far the group of tempest, la7 etc.

o/t "And thats his fault ? He's not playing the game the way people would like him to, so let's take his ride away from him."
He's saying: give up your advantage to give me mine. Who's going to do that?
[/o/t]

If pilot is going to be a variable in whether one plane is perked, you need to explain why, because players like Fester etc will probably get a handicap that's as attractive as what you denounce in the bold above.

jpeg · « **Reply #47 on:** April 17, 2003, 11:19:15 PM »

If you perk LA7 then N1K aka "the UFO" has to be perked also.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #48 on:** April 17, 2003, 11:40:38 PM »

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Originally posted by jpeg
If you perk LA7 then N1K aka "the UFO" has to be perked also.

You're insane. Though I believe the La7 should remain unperked, it's definitely in a different league than the N1K.

-- Todd/Leviathn

TheManx · « **Reply #49 on:** April 17, 2003, 11:51:59 PM »

I don't find La7's all that tough to beat, even with a Typhoon. Granted, I think a lot of the newer players fly the La7 so it's hard to judge. I flew the Spit XIV for the first time in a while, and was surprised to see that a Mustang I dove on ended up outrunning me, perhaps the Spit XIV should come unperked. The Mustang outclasses the XIV in everything but early fight firepower and climb rate.

The only reason an LA7 is a threat, is it's a good crowd interceptor. You just can't get anywhere with them around, as they'll force turns then extend out. Just for their annoyance factor in this regard, I'd say perk them for 10 or else unperk the Spit XIV.

Urchin · « **Reply #50 on:** April 18, 2003, 01:04:00 AM »

The Spitfire XIV out-accelerates, out-climbs, and out-turns the P-51D. It doesn't out turn it by as significant a margin as the Spit IX, but it does out turn it.

The P-51D has better speed low, holds it E better, has better firepower, and has a much better cockpit. Also I believe the P-51D is more stable at low speeds, but it might just be because I don't have that much experience in the Spit XIV.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #51 on:** April 18, 2003, 02:01:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin

The P-51D has better speed low, holds it E better, has better firepower, and has a much better cockpit. Also I believe the P-51D is more stable at low speeds, but it might just be because I don't have that much experience in the Spit XIV.

Engine torque on the Spitfire Mk XIV is pretty vicious, especially at low speeds. I think it's true for all Sptifire models to a varying degree. I know that when I stall fight in a Spitfire V or Seafire, I'm fighting against the torque almost as much as I am against the target but out of the Spitfires we have in AH, the XIV has the worst torque.

Ack-Ack

moot · « **Reply #52 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:08:23 AM »

spit14 is nearly the best MA furballer. Accelerates well enough, has good reach with two of the best point and shoot guns in the game, turns well, climbs as fast as a G10.

If it's unperked the 152 should be too.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:20:45 AM »

There are no La7's in the arena this thread is totaly ridicilus.

SlapShot · « **Reply #54 on:** April 18, 2003, 09:32:52 AM »

moot,

I have asked this before, and I will ask it again. Please bring forth your analytical data that proves that the AH La-7 is "uber". Please show us how this La-7 outperforms, above and beyond its real-life counterpart.

My whole "pilot" point is that we should aspire, at all times, to become better pilots, and not whine and ask HT to put limiting factors on planes that cause us trouble.

That is the reason why I bring up guys like Lev, Mathman, iceMAW, and there are more. I have never seen these guys cry and whine about any plane and call for it to be perked. I am surprised to see Manx call for it to be perked.

If Lev can fly around in a Spit V, Mathman in an F6F, iceMAW in an FM2/F6F, and be as successful as they are against ANY plane, then there is no reason why you and I can get to that point either. As we move forward to that point, we will die alot, but each encounter adds something to the memory bank and used for education.

I have been at this game for about a year and a-half, and at this stage of the game, I consider myself a good pilot and feel comfortable flying any fighter/attack plane in the stable. I am no where near the level of "great" pilot, but that is what I aspire to, and that is what I work on everytime I play this game.

Everytime we die, it isn't anybody elses or the planes fault that we died. It is all on us, the pilot.

If you are getting killed by La-7s then you have entered into the "kill zone" of the La-7, and its your own fault for being there. This also holds true for any other plane. Fly out of your "zone" and into their "zone" and you will die .. simple as that.

Widewing · « **Reply #55 on:** April 18, 2003, 09:35:41 AM »

Maybe I just don't get it, but I find the never ending pissy whines about the La-7 to be almost pathetic.

Sure, they're fast down low. So what?

Ok, they turn reasonably well. Big deal.

Yup, they climb pretty good too. Whoopie.

Let's take all of that and factor in its weaknesses.

Piss-poor gun ballistics.
Low ammo load-out.
Unsatisfactory outward vision.
Nasty accelerated stall characteristics.
Serious compressibility issues.
Limited endurance.
Nearly useless bomb load.

Finally, add in the fact that 95% of the jokers flying it are hopelessly inept and I see nothing especially dangerous about them.

Geez, I take a Tiffie, CHog or Dora and use 'em for gunnery practice. Hell, over the past few tours, I've killed 76 (some ack kills in there too) of them for 2 losses. One being a CHog vulched on a re-arm pad by a suicider and other when I collided with the wingless La-7 I had just wrecked with my Jug.

Rule number one: Manage your energy.
Rule number two: Always keep your nose pointed at them if you are at an energy disadvantage.

This morning I took on an La-7 with a lowly IL-2. All I gave him was a view of my 23mm cannons to look at. Finally, in frustration, he tried a foolish HO... Cya fella.

If you are having trouble with the La-7, quite frankly, it's not the La-7, it's you.

My regards,

Widewing

Max · « **Reply #56 on:** April 18, 2003, 09:47:59 AM »

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Originally posted by AcidFunk
Hmmm. To perk or not to perk. That is the question, eh?

*DigWeed

Again, this isn't about perking the La7....more about polling the crowd in reference to UNPERKING the Tempest.

DmdMax <--shameless punt

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #57 on:** April 18, 2003, 09:48:15 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
If you are getting killed by La-7s then you have entered into the "kill zone" of the La-7, and its your own fault for being there.

ROFLOL

Fariz · « **Reply #58 on:** April 18, 2003, 09:53:13 AM »

Spit XIV shall be less perks, 25 may be will make its flying justified.

As well as f4u-4, it is overperked.

Tempest is fine. One of the greatest plane in AH, absolutely deadly.

La7 shall be perked only along with p51 and dora. Perking la7 and leaving p51 and dora unperked just has a 0 sence. Actually, I find killing la7s easier, because due to several reasons their pilots are more agressive than typical p51 or dora pilot.

hazed- · « **Reply #59 on:** April 18, 2003, 11:09:23 AM »

OK HOW ABOUT THIS:

PERK RIDE OF THE TOUR.

What we seem to be forgetting here is the fact that HTC can change the game or add a new rule and see if it works.Then if it doesnt seem to be working they can remove it very easily.

Why dont HTC try out some of the requests? I would have no problem with any new rule if its clear that its on a trial basis.

So why not have a system where each month the aircraft that gets the most use is perked for the next tour and is then replaced by the new top dog at the end of the next tour etc etc.

At least this would GARENTEE a slightly differing planeset seen above bases every tour. If everyone is flying a particular model , be it p51d,190d9,la7 or whatever, the next tour that same aircraft will cost 5 or 10 perks.

For those that keep saying 'ive got thousands of perks so it doesnt matter' I say they are fooling themselves.I also have over a thousand perks for fighters etc but i still use tempests me262s ta152s and f4uc's LESS because they cost perks.Id say most people in here would agree the perk system certainly worked PERFECTLY for the F4UC problem. I used to hate the constantly similar fights I had to engage in with the F4uc everywhere.When it was perked WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW! I started to enjoy myself again.Now when i fight an f4uc its a rarity and an enjoyable one. The Idea Im trying to put forward is basically that in order to maintain enjoyable variety perking would be and IS the perfect tool to control the way an arena is used.If we begin to see the arena filling up with spits niks and la7s or P51ds,190d9s,109s,p47s then I cannot understand why HTC doesnt take a step toward discouraging their overuse. PERKING isnt BANNING after all!.

Why cant we have a tour where LA7s are perked? followed by a tour where 190D9s are perked? It would be a small cost, would only last for one tour and those that really will fly nothing else can EASILY still fly them.Wheres the harm in it?

I get annoyed with the intollerance of people in AH. I have no problem killing LA7s and have no problem killing in them however I AM fed up with fighting them.I Dont want them removed, Id just like to have a wider variety of fights.The perk system could easily be used to achieve a nice ballance of aircraft but it isnt being used. All we have is 3 or 4 planes with extortionate prices and on or two which are much nearer the way i envisioned perking to work,(ie F4uc and now Ta152 being much cheaper than it was)

I would like to see all the very fast late war planes given a small cost.I would like to see more of the older planes used for a change.

I DONT WANT THIS PERMINANTLY!!! The whole point is it CAN be changed.
What it would mean is a constantly shifting use of the various models.This would result in a greater variety of fights and encounters.I for one would be very pleased to see more of the 205s and la5s or early 109s to fight for a while. wouldnt you?

If it means paying to fly the later models in order to encourage the use of some of the aircraft in AH that i RARELY if EVER meet then im more than happy to go along with it. It seem the people who dont want change are always the ones with high scores or thousands of perks and the funniest thing is, because they have such high amounts of perks, it wouldnt affect them anyway!.

The simple fact of the matter is if a ride is perked you see less of them.It doesnt have to be very high in cost either.Once an aircraft becomes commonplace in the MA it stagnates the game by making all engagements very similar and Id say boring. With a simple dynamic perk system which changes from tour to tour to reflect the use of each model you would see a greater variety of adversaries.

I dont see why we dont try it for a while.If it is terrible and no one likes it well just change it back.Is it really such a big issue?